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By Androo - Posted on June 22, 2002 - 01:25:21 (#1920)
Current version when comment was posted: 2001.07.31

Actually, there are only three cards that this driver does not support: GeForce 4 and GeForce2Go/GeForce4 2Go. The GeForce 3 works perfectly.

Don't expect to see any new GeForce cards supported anytime soon ... this driver was created by Be, Inc ... the source is closed.

By adamk - Posted on June 21, 2002 - 19:32:44 (#1915)
Current version when comment was posted: 2001.07.31

You'll never see OpenGL for nVidia cards under anything other than nVidia approved Operating Systems (which now includes Windows, OS X, and Linux/x86) since nVidia refuses to had out specifications for the 3D workings of their cards.

Right on, Jess!

By Ruprect - Posted on June 21, 2002 - 19:19:08 (#1914)
Current version when comment was posted: 2001.07.31

Jess, you're totally right. I can't speak for everyone else, but for me... I'm booting BeOS more than Windows2000 and the GeForce2 MX400 clone I just got works great for my purposes. I paid $40 for it on Ebay brand new. It's dualhead, has DVI output, and S-VHS TV output. It's working like a champ.

The truly funny part is that overlay and general 2D performance in W2K is much slower and irresponsive, while in BeOS it's quite snappy! I mean noticably. In particular: stampTV is crisp while I drag it around the desktop, whereas WinTV chunks bad while dragged around.

Unfortunately, I can't say the same for OpenGL! I'm no hardcore gamer, but Descent3 looks fantastic in Windows. Who know? Maybe one of these days OGL will come to OBOS.

Gotta have support for more cards

By pegas - Posted on June 21, 2002 - 16:24:16 (#1913)
Current version when comment was posted: 2001.07.31

It's getting really obsolete with the launch of GeForce 3 & 4.

Gotta have support for more cards

By pegas - Posted on June 21, 2002 - 16:24:13 (#1912)
Current version when comment was posted: 2001.07.31

It's getting really obsolete with the launch of GeForce 3 & 4.

By trikon - Posted on June 13, 2002 - 16:27:53 (#1808)
Current version when comment was posted: 2001.07.31

Eugenia - I have already decided to get a different video card. thanks.

vocc - do not give me the "mine works, why aint yours working?!?!¿" line. your video card may not be from the same vendor.

Jess - i'm not really here for rantings on ATI vs nVidia, but i will take your input under advisement.

By Jess - Posted on June 13, 2002 - 09:21:17 (#1806)
Current version when comment was posted: 2001.07.31

Ok I have wanted to say this for a while when I see posts on Radeon 8500 drivers & GeForce 4 stuff. I surely to god hope you guys are dual booting your machines! Cuz if your not your either extreemly hopeful about hardware support from OBOS or Foolish!!! BeOS 5.0.3 will run just as well with a $5 ATI as it will with a $650 GeForce4 - IMO your plain stupid if your buying these cards for a Be only machine. Yes there are issues of overlay & such but cards that support the features Be does have at the moment can still be found used & some times new for around $50... hmm a savings of $600 sounds good to me. Also a cheap $5 ATI say Rage lc2 can do decent refresh & res as well as not being a heat pig like the Nvidia cards & the cooler your system is the more it will love you back. Even a TNT2 card runs around 150F thats pretty hot. So unless your dual booting buy a cheap card & send me the money you saved! I can use it! ;)

I have no problem

By vocc - Posted on June 13, 2002 - 08:15:08 (#1805)
Current version when comment was posted: 2001.07.31

My GF2 works just fine w/Unified driver.My monitor even fully powers down after the screen saver mode.

Get a new card

By Eugenia - Posted on June 13, 2002 - 08:15:01 (#1804)
Current version when comment was posted: 2001.07.31

>any other suggestions or comments would be appreciated.

If that's what Hercules did to the card, then save yourself the trouble and get a GeForce3 Ti500.

I'm not the only one with this problem

By trikon - Posted on June 13, 2002 - 05:22:24 (#1799)
Current version when comment was posted: 2001.07.31

I have a GF2 Pro made by Hercules, the Prophet series. Hercules said that they made some tweaks to the card making it not able to use the standard build of the GF driver. lastangelman has this same problem.

I have been scouring the net for info on video driver stuff. I found the linux source for the nVidia cores, the problem with the source is that a lot of the code is precompiled into a object file and only give a bare minimum of code that is used to link to the kernel and such. I did find other information on other video cards, enough to probably make a generic svga driver or something. This might be useful later when OBOS breaks compatibility with everything.

I do not code too much in C/C++ and not too accustomed to the style of coding that i find on openbeos' cvs, so i might need help in making the driver.

all the files that i found on bebits to fix the grey scale issue, Vesa Accepted sort of works but leaves system acting like it was still in the greyscale mode.
not something that i would like to accept on a daily basis. everything is still super choppy.

any other suggestions or comments would be appreciated.

Should work

By Jess - Posted on June 12, 2002 - 23:53:39 (#1797)
Current version when comment was posted: 2001.07.31

The driver should work as far as I know. I have used it with pretty much every GeForce 2 & it worked fine. I would think it's more likly a Bios problem. if your AGP apeture is set above 256mb set it to 128 & also try changing any driving settings if your board supports it. Aside from that disabiling shadowings -
- There are alot of possibilities to fix your problem - just try things one at a time so you know what did or did not make a differance
- Jess

GeForce 2 PRO

By Eugenia - Posted on June 12, 2002 - 23:08:59 (#1796)
Current version when comment was posted: 2001.07.31

Are you sure it does not work? Have you tried to install the driver correctly? I was fairly sure that it was supporting the 2PRO just fine!

guess i'm out of luck

By trikon - Posted on June 12, 2002 - 09:01:24 (#1785)
Current version when comment was posted: 2001.07.31

Seems the driver still doesnt support the GF2 Pro (a tweaked down version of the Ultra).

anyone figure out how to hack in some support for it?

By Jess - Posted on June 6, 2002 - 23:02:02 (#1712)
Current version when comment was posted: 2001.07.31

I have also done Installs on Athlon XP systems so if you see me around & need info feel free to ask as I did mine a bit differant than most.
- Jess

By Eugenia - Posted on June 6, 2002 - 18:34:22 (#1709)
Current version when comment was posted: 2001.07.31

I did a fresh installation of AthlonXP just a week ago. Send me an email and I will send you full instructions.

installing on Athlon XP or MP (nothing to do with nvidia driver)

By shatty - Posted on June 6, 2002 - 10:46:11 (#1706)
Current version when comment was posted: 2001.07.31

Some little bird has posted a page on the wiki:

http://wiki.bebits.com/page/InstallingOnAthlonXPorMP

Got a GeForce2 MX200

By BigZaphod - Posted on June 6, 2002 - 07:13:18 (#1704)
Current version when comment was posted: 2001.07.31

Went all over town and no one had a GeForce3. Lots of 2s and 4s, but no 3s. *sigh* Typical for this city...

Anyway.. I now have a GeForce2 in my AthlonXP, which is very happy in UT and WinXP compared to my crap RadeonVE. I just need to figure out how to get BeOS to install now. The problem is that my BIOS doesn't have an option to disable those SSE settings or anything like that. So the BeOS boot process hangs, of course.

I have managed to see BeOS boot on this thing, but that was when I had installed it using another machine, patched it for XP processors, and moved the HD over. Sadly that partition was lost and the computer I had to do that with has died. How do I go about installing fresh on an Athlon XP without that BIOS option?

Thanks Eugenia.

By BigZaphod - Posted on June 4, 2002 - 23:18:10 (#1681)
Current version when comment was posted: 2001.07.31

I'm going to have to go shopping after work, I think. Maybe I can pick one up cheap someplace around here...

To BigZaphod

By Eugenia - Posted on June 4, 2002 - 23:10:38 (#1680)
Current version when comment was posted: 2001.07.31

The most powerful card that this driver supports is the GeForce3 Ti 500. GeForce4 variants are not supported at all by this driver.

What's the best card this driver supports?

By BigZaphod - Posted on June 4, 2002 - 23:08:29 (#1679)
Current version when comment was posted: 2001.07.31

So, what is the best GeForce that works well with this driver, anyway? I have a RadeonVE on one of my machines and I'd like to use BeOS there (of course RadeonVE doesn't work correctly in BeOS--or anywhere for that matter). I figured an older GeForce would probably be comparable and pretty cheap to pick up. I just need to know which one is the best I can get away with, because I still want to play UT in Windows. :-)

When it happens, you'll know ;-)

By Prognathous - Posted on June 2, 2002 - 23:05:58 (#1664)
Current version when comment was posted: 2001.07.31

>already get a proper display with a resolution of 1024x768x32 bit (85 Hz vertical).

You don't need this driver.

When you encounter an unsupported video card, you can't miss it, hence the title.

Prog.

By Ram - Posted on June 2, 2002 - 17:12:09 (#1659)
Current version when comment was posted: 2001.07.31

I have BeOS R.5.0.1 PE running with gfx chipset RIVA TNT2. Do I or don't i need this driver??

I already get a proper display with a resolution of 1024x768x32 bit (85 Hz vertical).

Does the driver have some extra optimizations for the RIVA TNT2 or will the driver that comes with BeOS do..?

Ram
(aka Somebody)

About the GeForce2GO

By Eugenia - Posted on May 11, 2002 - 03:50:54 (#1380)
Current version when comment was posted: 2001.07.31

Apold, the GeForce2Go support has been taken out of this driver ON PURPOSE. Because I had a small part in the debug process of the driver for this specific version, I know what happened.

So, the deal is that the first beta of the last version of this driver had support for the GeForce2GO. Problem was that the GeForce2GO was JUST A TINY BIT different internally than the rest of the GeForce models and Leo was not sure if that generic driver would work with it. Leo did not have access to any laptops with that card, so he could not debug it. About 10 days later, I found a guy who had that card and was able to test the driver.
So, here is how the driver was working:
http://studentweb.tulane.edu/~mhenkel/GeForce2GO/
The screenshot.jpg was the output when taking a screenshot. Aparently the framebuffer was working, and was able to take screenshots the right way. But the actual 2D rendering was not working. Check the other two shots there to see how the driver was rendering to the screen.

So, Leo removed completely support for GeForce2GO in the next release of this driver, as he was not able to test it first hand and Be was obviously not in the situation or cared of buying Leo a new laptop...

MX400s and shadow cursor

By Ruprect - Posted on May 10, 2002 - 17:55:39 (#1376)
Current version when comment was posted: 2001.07.31

Oh man, that sucks Budd! I'm about to buy an MX400 with DVI out and S-VHS out. I sure hope I don't experience the same thing!

Did the shadow occur after you changed screen resolution, or just when you installed the driver? What resolution?

Hmmmm

Unified G-Force driver and gforce2GO sux ??

By apold - Posted on May 10, 2002 - 12:51:25 (#1364)
Current version when comment was posted: 2001.07.31

I have an Laptop, an Dell Inspiron8000 with a Gforce2GO gfx card.

BeOS almost works like a dream, but not having the gfx card working properly, makes the beOS xperience more like a nightmare. I've tried the unified drivers, but they dont work. I've read a comment about cards after june 2001 doesn't work due to som card identification that beos does'nt recognize during boot.

Anyone out there, that has a routine to make my gfx card work ??

---apold---

Re: Cursor/Shadow

By budd - Posted on May 9, 2002 - 18:24:47 (#1356)
Current version when comment was posted: 2001.07.31

Ack!
No!

So this driver is a dead end then? ... I guess I can pretend to be cross-eyed, maybe it won't be so bad ...

Re: cursor/shadow

By Eugenia - Posted on May 9, 2002 - 17:58:55 (#1354)
Current version when comment was posted: 2001.07.31

You hit a bug in the driver my friend. Too bad that there is no one left at Be to fix the driver for you (Leo does not even work for Palm anymore, and he was the i81x/nVidia gfx driver guy at Be, along with Trey who mostly had experience on Matrox drivers and RJS who did ATi/3Dfx stuff).

cursor shadow?

By budd - Posted on May 9, 2002 - 17:44:39 (#1353)
Current version when comment was posted: 2001.07.31

So I installed this driver to run my PNY GeForce MX400, and everything looks swell, I am back up to 85Mhz+ ... but ... has anyone else gotten a funky mouse cursor after installing this?
I installed the driver and upped my screen res, but now the mouse cursor is small, and duplicated. A little tiny hand on the left works like it should, but there is another little hand about 1 cm to the right that doesn't appear to do anyhting but float around following the left one?

Budd.

By vocc - Posted on May 9, 2002 - 16:19:10 (#1352)
Current version when comment was posted: 2001.07.31

Het,thanx for the great driver!It worx well on my TI200 based PNY Verto agp.It's nice to have BeOs back after a year of waiting.(I'm finally weaned off ATI's) :)

nvidia cards for 3d and overlay

By shatty - Posted on May 3, 2002 - 18:17:50 (#1279)
Current version when comment was posted: 2001.07.31

Well personally I have played a few 3d games in my day. Also the overlay support works quite well and has improved my video viewing experience in beos. Now vlc (videolan client) also supports overlay in beos, so watching DVDs also benefits.

By Jess - Posted on May 3, 2002 - 16:35:36 (#1277)
Current version when comment was posted: 2001.07.31

Why would any one be buying these cards if they are running BeOS? essentially these cards are totaly for Windows API & 3D gaming. Just a foolish waste of money. do your self a favor & go buy a $5 8mb ati card at a used store. By the time we have Hardware acceleration for these cards & games to use it on you'll be able to buy a GF4 for $30!

Doesn't work with nVidia GeForce 4 Ti 4400 (MSI)

By gallissian - Posted on May 3, 2002 - 13:52:37 (#1276)
Current version when comment was posted: 2001.07.31

Screnn rezolution is locket on 640x480 in black/white mode.
Maybe I should bring back my card ??
This driver works very well on GeForce 2 MX.

Nvidia GeForce 4 mx420 (and mx440) not working

By Paul Galashin - Posted on May 3, 2002 - 12:56:56 (#1273)
Current version when comment was posted: 2001.07.31

By Eugenia - Posted on April 20, 2002 - 02:23:49 (#1036)
Current version when comment was posted: 2001.07.31

The Ti line is a special case. While they were out on October indeed, probably their ID numbers were on the XFree driver since July. On June 2001, nvidia did a big check-in on XFree's driver code and included updated drivers and support for their upcoming Ti cards.

How do I know that? Well, I was the one who emailed Leo and told him where to find the code and that nVidia had updated their 2D drivers and that it was a time for a new update on the BeOS driver. I asked Leo to update the BeOS driver based on some infromation from the XFree one and Leo asked back a... lemon cake in returned. Leo released the driver and next day he had his lemon cake in his office at Be, sent with my husband who his office was almost next to his.

Also, I know that Leo had a contact at nVidia who probably supplied him with some additional IDs from upcoming cards in July. The early Ti series were lucky to be in the BeOS driver. Newer models and revisions --I am saying this again-- are not supported.

And that's the whole story.

Geforce2 Ti works

By lethargy - Posted on April 20, 2002 - 02:04:14 (#1035)
Current version when comment was posted: 2001.07.31

Purely for information purposes, my Hercules 3D Prophet II, a Geforce2 Titanium card, works fine with the unified driver. I have no idea how the card would identify itself. While it's a newer card, the Geforce2 Titanium is just a die shrink of the original Geforce2. Decent card for the money. Not sure if this info figures into the current argument, but it may be useful for someone who's looking for a new card.

Eugenia, *get a clue* will ya?

By adamk - Posted on April 20, 2002 - 01:48:55 (#1034)
Current version when comment was posted: 2001.07.31

My GeForce3 Ti500 was definately release after July 2001. Check out the press releases... The first one about the Titanium line of cards wasn't published till Oct ober of 2001.

And guess what? It works great with this driver.

Maybe it's time for a new a$$.

Adam

GeForce 3 Ti200 works with no problems

By zenja - Posted on April 20, 2002 - 00:32:00 (#1033)
Current version when comment was posted: 2001.07.31

GeForce 3 Ti200 works prefectly, and even has Overlay support on newer versions of VideoLan. Both the Unified NVidia Driver and the bundled Dano driver (probably the same) work without any glitches.

Shed, *give it a rest* will ya?

By Eugenia - Posted on April 19, 2002 - 23:41:25 (#1031)
Current version when comment was posted: 2001.07.31

I just checked on the nVidia web site. Their press releases indicate that the GeForce2MX 200/400 (http://www.nvidia.com/view.asp?IO=IO_20010530_5443) was released on March 2001 and the GeForce2 GTS (http://www.nvidia.com/view.asp?IO=IO_20010809_4576) was released on May 2000. They are old cards. Therefore, this driver WILL work with these cards, as they DO work for you.

However, chipsets and hardware revisions of cards that were released **after** July 2001, will NOT work with this driver and I bet my a$$ on it. Get a clue.

Newer cards to work with this

By Jess - Posted on April 19, 2002 - 22:52:06 (#1029)
Current version when comment was posted: 2001.07.31

I have set up Be on many systems running GeForce 2 GTS cards & MX 400's ALL have worked. Cards where from Pine, MCI, ASUS, & Power Color. I have yet to see any of the newer cards fail & give you a non vesa "Safe Mode gfx" warning.

GeForce Owners READ HERE

By Eugenia - Posted on April 19, 2002 - 21:01:06 (#1028)
Current version when comment was posted: 2001.07.31

To avoid the zillion of emails I get and forum posts about "will my geforce work with that driver?", here is a simplified explanation of the situation.

This driver was created in July 2001. Graphics cards and chipsets that were released by nVidia AFTER that date, will not work with this driver.

The way the drivers work [disclaimer: this is just an over simplified way of how things work]: When BeOS asks the graphics card during boot time "who are you? Do I support you?", the card reply for example: "I am nVidia 9C42AF16". The BeOS checks its drivers to see if this "9C42AF16" appears in its internal database. If that hexadecimal ID number does not appear there, then BeOS will throw out a black'n'white screen, because it will think that it does not support the specific hardware *revision* (eg. GF4 4400), even if the overall generic model (geforce) is supported.

It is known that the GeForce driver could have worked with some later GeForce2MX and GF3 *revisions* that were released after the driver's release, but because they were released after the driver, their numbers are not included inside the driver's database, so BeOS won't recognise them as supported, no matter if they actually would work perfectly with the driver.

Also: Even if someone may tweak the driver (using a hex editor) to add the new GeForce4's hexadecimal ID numbers in the driver files, I hear that BeOS might not work with cards with 128 MB of graphics Ram, especially if your main system's RAM is about 1 GB of RAM, because it _may_ run out of address space. The driver was never tested in such situations.



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