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By mikael - Posted on December 13, 2002 - 14:16:30 (#4768)
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I know that you are almost alone on this project.. its amazing.. we ( the community should really apreciate your work.. thank you Paul and your team).
/Konrad
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By Pink Chick - Posted on December 4, 2002 - 20:13:04 (#4588)
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loading symbols
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memcpy_default:
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fcffb5e4 ece86838 nsBinaryInputStream::ReadWStringZ(unsigned short **) + 0000006c
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fcffb6ec ed8cc42e nsChromeProtocolHandler::NewChannel(nsIURI *, nsIChannel **) + 000002ae
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By Kokito - Posted on December 3, 2002 - 19:53:07 (#4567)
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Paul,
On behalf of all civilized BeOS and Bezilla users, I thank you for all the great work you have been doing on the BeOS version of Mozilla.
Mozilla users: try the latest nightly build (2002-12-02) and you will see a good improvement in speed.
Enjoy!
Koki
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By InactiveX - Posted on December 3, 2002 - 18:48:09 (#4566)
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This is the best Moz for BeOS yet. The CPU load is a good deal lower on my dual Celerons @ 500MHz over version 1.1, and it hasn't crashed once in the three days I've been using it. With each new rev I've used since v0.9.9, stability has improved.
I've used Net+, Opera and Phoenix on BeOS and I'm sticking with Moz now. To all the BeZilla guys - if you're still reading - thanks everso for providing the binaries. I for one am hugely grateful.
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By Canio - Posted on December 2, 2002 - 17:03:32 (#4550)
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You are right, narmox: Stripzilla is much more usable than Bezilla. Thank you.
ade said:
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That can NOT be true. I got a 400mhz(160mb RAM) G3 running 8.1 and 8.6, but Mozilla on MacOS Classics (have tried 1.2 recently) is outrageous slow! Sorry but I don't believe what you're saying...(yes mine is OKAY-I can smoothly play Q3A on this machine)
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What I mean is that Mozilla is better (faster, more stable...) than IE/OE combo in this old iMac. Of course Mozilla is slower there than in my PC+Win2k but the experience with the iMac is much, much better than BeZilla in my PC+BeOS.
If you have problems with Mozilla in your Mac, try to allocate more memory to the application, try to decrease the amount of cache in the preferences, try to add more RAM or try whatever you want, but please: don't call me a liar just because you don't like my opinion.
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But it could be possible that BeOS does not run well on you machine, or that your G3 233 is way faster than usual...
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Everything under BeOS run very well in my machine. Everything except BeZilla... Weird, isn't it?
Okay, this is my last comment here. Arguing is not the solution.
God save BeOS (yes, we need all kind of help ;-)
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By ade - Posted on December 2, 2002 - 16:26:45 (#4549)
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Stop griping!
Do help or do use Net+!
But let this man improve the Gecko or even the Around-Gecko:Mozilla! Nobody is interessted to hear that mozilla is tooooo slow for you!
I am sure Paul knows what is too slow or what is not ...
He could stop posting his builds and you would have nothing else then Net+.
When do you thing will other Browsers be ready to use...
Ever spend one thought about how long it takes to program a full-featured html-rendering-engine (which includes HTML/XHTML/CSS/JAVAScript...)
-A
Get on Paul, push BeZilla forward...
Even my girlfried HAS(to, as I am using *ONLY* BeOS for browsing) and DOES use BeZilla, although she's completely unskillful with Computers.
Actually she things that BeZilla renders better than Phoenix (i told her this should be wrong ... we know why ... but if she means)
I can not BELIEVE that mozilla is that slow on your PC's
On my BeOS - Box it runs *REALLY* okay.
Sure. Sometimes she frets about lacking of Java & Flash but ...
She even Ebays and does her banking with Mozilla...
So this is my personal thanx to aroughtrooper because I do not need to start 2k every time my girl wants to check her mail... and look who her ebay article goes :-)))
-A
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By arougthopher - Posted on December 2, 2002 - 15:28:15 (#4546)
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> Go hard & good luck, but was it so wrong to suggest it might be be better to join forces for pheonix?
With who? Sergei? I already work with him. Themis? They have their own project, that, I've offerred suggestions on, but, don't have time to help, and, they are not interested in working on mozilla. Who else should I join up with, Microsoft? :)
On another note, I will no longer be monitoring the Talkback comments on BeBits. It is too much of a pain, very unorganized, and I can't moderate it. So, if you want to communicate with myself or others on the bezilla team, use the forums at bezilla.org.
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By ade - Posted on December 2, 2002 - 14:39:52 (#4544)
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Mozilla is fast, smooth and stable in your wife's iMac G3-233MHz(MacOS8.6)??
That can NOT be true. I got a 400mhz(160mb RAM) G3 running 8.1 and 8.6, but Mozilla on MacOS Classics (have tried 1.2 recently) is outrageous slow! Sorry but I don't believe what you're saying...(yes mine is OKAY-I can smoothly play Q3A on this machine)
But it could be possible that BeOS does not run well on you machine, or that your G3 233 is way faster than usual...
Mozilla runs really fine on my X86 Box (Dual 800mhz box), and it only crashes once in a blue moon.
Due to THIS it is *VERY* useful...
-A
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By mariux123 - Posted on December 2, 2002 - 14:16:39 (#4543)
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keep up the good work, version 1.2 is faster than ever
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By Canio - Posted on December 2, 2002 - 11:35:27 (#4542)
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(Sorry for my English. It isn't my mother tongue)
I didn't want to be rude, arougthopher. I tried to be clear. As I said yesterday, I'm not a developer, just a user trying to use an OS that was a dream several years ago and now is dying in my HD mainly because I can't surf properly with it using the SAME web browser that works wonderfully (IMO) in other operating systems. Of course, nobody force me to use BeOS... but I'm in love with it!
I just tried to show you a USER point of view, not a developer's one. And my point of view is that BeZilla was completely useless two years ago and now it still is almost useless in my PIII-733MHz(Pro5.0.3). In the same box, using Win2K, Mozilla is fast, smooth and stable. More: Mozilla is fast, smooth and stable in my wife's iMac G3-233MHz(MacOS8.6)!!
Okey, maybe I'm wrong and you are right. Maybe today BeOS is just a hobby OS for developers and it doesn't need users (and I'm just a poor user!). Maybe users that expect something from the developers and aren't satisfied with the stuff, have to leave this platform in silence because the stuff is free and you are not allowed to complain...
Maybe users have to forget BeOS forever. This OS doesn't need them!!!! I think this one of your points of view is pretty wrong: any OS need users ALL THE TIME and you have to listen more "frustrated users points of view" to keep them in this platform.
Anyway, good luck (with no users... you'll need good luck if you want to see this OS alive in the future).
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By Jess - Posted on December 2, 2002 - 08:12:09 (#4539)
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<quote>
The startup times for BeOS are on par with at least linux
yes they are - :(
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We can, however, increase the (re)draw speed. But, here it comes again, it will take TIME.
Yes but this is also what has some people worried. We lose small chunks of ground here & there with certain compatatbilites hardware or other wise each day & when projects like this are done by people int their spare time it more then just daunting. Not only do you have to make the program work you have to keep up with all the new technology formats being introduced to these types of applications. So this is where the other guys time comment came from. Simply put we are losing ground even though great progress has been made.
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No one is
at "my mercy". Anyone can build bezilla.
Yes for now but with out some one like you adding the updates & such & fixing problems most people wont have much success unless they are developers too. & also with out some one like you maintaining a BeOS representation in the source tree Be instruction & support would probably dissapear leaving only capable porter to update & bring future builds to Be. It's all circumstantial & speculative though.
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If you were a developer, and a couple of people started blasting the work
you had done, how do you think that would affect you?
I have stated before I AM a developer & I also stated I know how it affects you. Thus the joke abotu I wonder if bug reports & feedback are worth it due to the mental drain it can put on a developer. I get flamed & complimented all the time.
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Plus, no one is pointing a gun at your head and forcing you to use BeOS.
No but we all want to. It is frustrating to see lesser OS's getting all the bells & whitsles & alot of them for free. Alot of people complain about the fact flash is free in windows, mac os, & linux & the same with jabber & many other trinkets - Opera, is another show as it's commercial ware for us. Mind you I belive opera is adware now for other platforms but you know what I mean. It's simply frustration. It's a frustration of an unfair playing ground in both retail & hobbiest worlds. While you dont HAVE to do anything you dont want to if your goal is to make a solid & capable web browser your at the mercy of the companies designing the web languages & toys. These are commercial companies in most cases & churn stuff out all the time leaving guys like you to keep up if you choose to do so. Thus again the time referance. thats the crappy thing about software... it's never done & allways expanding... unless a dev just say no more.
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If you are upset about its current state, do you
really think complaining to developers will help anything, what so ever?
Nope, but I'm doing everything I can to further the projects I'm involved with, & applogise for venting & ill representing what I'm saying it does not move things along... I simply lack a wide field to run out into screaming.
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Be is a hobby OS
It was not intended to be that & is not to many people. It is what we are passionate about.
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I too, would like to see 3rd
parties get involved in BeOS. But, for now, there is nothing for them to get invovled with, and there won't be for a while.
I dont feel thats the case. If all plans continue forward. We do still have some 3rd party developers for Be & if you do a tad bit of research you will see there is alot to offer OS wise for these 3rd party developers. The problem lies in the user base. As time progress's the community will be surpised but right now user base is our #1 problem to attract 3rd party developers. No one will commit R&D time & staff to learn an API for an OS that say 300 people use. if they sold thier software for $100 a pop that probably wouldnt cover wages for the development team for a week. In the end it's all some what speculation. many people say Be is dead & will remain that way. Some say now is not the time for this & that wait till OBOS (or thier project of choice) is ready. Some may realize that we have a COMMERCIAL version coming out soon too & see there is more going on then possibly known.
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This may change, but not for a while. In the mean time, I will slowly continue to make my primary browser a little
better :)
Go hard & good luck, but was it so wrong to suggest it might be be better to join forces for pheonix?
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By arougthopher - Posted on December 2, 2002 - 04:28:49 (#4538)
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I know your derogatory statements where not "aimed" at me, but the project I work on, so, for that reason, I do take it somewhat personal. It is all too easy to say what you want to a computer screen, without thinking about what you are saying or who you are saying it to.
As more mozilla being slow, well, on my box at work, under windows, it is comparable with IE6, and, when using QuickLaunch, maybe even faster. (and when it crashes, it doesn't bring down my entire desktop :) The startup times for BeOS are on par with at least linux, and there is really nothing that can be done about that (BeOS specifically). We can, however, increase the (re)draw speed. But, here it comes again, it will take TIME.
I am glad people are "rooting" for BeZilla. But instead of standing at the sidelines, there is other work that can be done, that does not require you to be a developer. You will always have people booing you from the side lines. I know this, I'm from Philly (ever watch a Philladelphia team play at home ;) But again, it does not help at all. Why not try to be constructive? Why not say "Is there anything I can do to help?", instead of reiterating what many have said already, in a Talkback post at BeBits! No one is at "my mercy". Anyone can build bezilla. The code, and instructions to build ot, are all freely available. And I have always tried to help anyone who has come to me with problems or questions about bezilla, be it user or developer problems. Plus, no one is pointing a gun at your head and forcing you to use BeOS. If you are upset about its current state, do you really think complaining to developers will help anything, what so ever? If you were a developer, and a couple of people started blasting the work you had done, how do you think that would affect you?
Be is a hobby OS. And it will remain so for a LONG, LONG time. Linux, in the home, is still primarily, a hobby OS as well. I too, would like to see 3rd parties get involved in BeOS. But, for now, there is nothing for them to get invovled with, and there won't be for a while. I knew this 2 years ago, and nothing has changed recently. This may change, but not for a while. In the mean time, I will slowly continue to make my primary browser a little better :)
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By Jess - Posted on December 2, 2002 - 03:46:53 (#4537)
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well I feel regaurdless of houw point blank my statements might be they are not quite understood. I realize you do this for yourself & thats why I said if Mozilla is wher eyou want to be then stay with it. As for saying it's a slow piece of crap that has nothing to do with you. IMO mozilla is a slow piece of crap. I'll say the same thing about Mozilla on linux. You didnt start Mozilla, you work to maintain it for the Be Community but what I'm saying is it's a slow & bloated browser I find it horribly unusable in Linux too. The only differance is the linux version is a tad more stable but none the less ungodly slow. So don't think I'm saying this DIRECTLY at you or about your port. I see pheonix as a better hope for us but again if you interest lies in Mozilla then it's your choice. Again you do this out of personal interest & it's wonderfull that you share your work with the community. I'm sorry you felt my comments about Mozilla where directed at your port of it or your work but they are not. Agreed your not on a time schedual but there are alot of people rooting for you in a "save us" sorta way & the save us is due to time - we are falling behind in capabilities. No Mozilla = no on line banking & such. These things again are more or less nessecity to alot of people now so they are rather at your mercy ;) till pheonix matures. As for why do we need more users... simple so that we can show thrid party developers who DO code for money that we are a good market. So game devs - pro audio dev's & so on will bring their products to us, but this is a subjective thing - do people want to see Be thrive or just fall into a hobby level catagory & only have products & apps come along when guys have the time. I myself would like to see a few new 3d games & some pro audio & imaging software come to Be as well as many people have a great want to do their video editing in Be. *Personal Studio excluded
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By Prognathous - Posted on December 2, 2002 - 03:02:53 (#4535)
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Paul, I'm sure that the vast majority of BeOS users and enthusiasts admire your excellent work and altruism (even if you don't admit it, you do have an altruistic soul).
We deeply thank you and Sergei for fighting what many would (wrongly) call a lost battle.
Let me just figure out how to get my PPTP connection to work with BeOS and I'll join in too...
Meanwhile, there are already a few others on bezilla.org that show the goodwill to help keep this important project afloat.
http://bezilla.org/article.php?sid=58&mode=&order=0&thold=0
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By arougthopher - Posted on December 2, 2002 - 02:16:48 (#4533)
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How can you say that is was not derogatory, when you said "Mozilla is a slow piece of crap"?
Oh, and stripzilla and bezilla are very much the same team, Sergei and myself. Stripzilla is mozilla for beos, with some of Sergei's patches applied. We try to work together as much as possible.
And, if you get negative feedback at work, good, you're getting paid. And if you do a crappy job when getting paid to do it, someone should be telling you. But here, I am NOT getting paid for this. I may not be getting things done fast enough for you and all the other "naysayers", but, it is good enough for me.
You must remember, I work on the project for myself. I don't do the work for you, or anyone else. You just get the benefits of free software, from my free work. I provide binary versions of the work I do for the community, so that people don't have to build it themselves. I can very easily, continue to do my work, for my benefit, and not provide anything back to the community, if that's what you want.
And, time is not running out. Not for me. I will continue to work on mozilla and other projects for BeOS in my own time, for my own benefit. There is almost no one left in the community that is in it for the money. But, we still exist! So, why do we need more users? Answer, we don't. We need developers, since they are users as well. And, with less users, more time for me to do something I enjoy, coding, instead of writing all of these messages, which, at one point, I swore I would never write :)
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By Jess - Posted on December 2, 2002 - 01:38:28 (#4532)
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sorry arougthopher, it's not meant to be totaly derogitory. I am very thankfull for the work guys have done on Mozilla. It's tied us over for a while now & lets face it without a semi decent way to surf the web our user base would drop like a stone off a sky scraper & more & more people would be less likly to try Be. So take pride in the fact that all the mozilla developers for Be have infact played an enormous part in keeping Be's user base together in a way. My comments where not meant to be derogitory yet I still get flamed from self proclaiming truists for my comments. If Mozilla is what you want to see come to light then stay with it but my comments where simply about not deviding our efforts. Some times too many developers can be a problem but with good managment things can work. The whole idea is like the dude said before my last comment -Time is running out-. people will slowly return more & more to dual boots due to lack of functionality untill they barely boot be anymore & then are gone. So many things happen on the web now it's almost disturbing so a whoop-butt web browser is about one of the most important things we can have besides a large need for Refraction GObe 3 & Open Office. It would just be good if every one could converge their efforts & move things along quicker then if we have mozilla team - stripzilla team - bezilla team all making moderate progress due to each persons personal schedual & differant projects when every one would get together & say ok what does each team want out of their mozilla port - can it be achieved in pheonix if so blablabla - then work towards it together in pheonix or mozilla depending on what is decided in each teams goals. Yes there is alot of negative feed back out here. I get alot of it from my work as well & even if it's intended to be constructive it can Pi$$ a person off. Some times I wonder if bug reports & disscusstion are worth it in the mental drain it can result in for the developer ;) I simply urge the reccognition of banding together effort & sadly that - Time is running out - & while we have made great strides to keep up with things we are falling behind in many places that are vital to our use base. The guys that freely contribute their time to applications & development for our community are hero's indeed.
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By vivid - Posted on December 1, 2002 - 20:45:54 (#4528)
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Paul and others - thanks for all your hard work. Don't let the naysayers get you down. I've been using Mozilla as my full-time browser in Be for the last few months -- a year ago, that would not have been possible.
Mozilla for BeOS has come a *long* way from its original days of being completely unusable.
Thanks for all your amazing work.
-adam-
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By atapahs - Posted on December 1, 2002 - 20:39:12 (#4527)
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I really like this browser, It seems to work for me a majority of the time. The only time I have problems some of the time is when I look for web page and it is not there, then Mozilla crashes, but I'm still using an older build. The only thing I would like to see is printer support. Thanks for your hard work and dedication.
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By arougthopher - Posted on December 1, 2002 - 18:57:45 (#4522)
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I've been on this project for almost 2 years now, on and off. At one point, I was the only developer left on the project (About the time of Be's focus shift). I taught myself how to code in C++ working on this project, and, I'm still learning some new things now and then. But, being on the same project for so long, you tend to forget when people say nice things about some of the work and services that you provide, free of charge, to the community. And, instead, start to dwell on the bad comments, become grumpy, and snap at people for no apparent reason. I truly apologize if I have done this to anyone.
But, why do I do this? Why do I keep letting people upset me? Because, I love to write code. I've been writing code since I was 12 years old. (taught myself Basic, on an Atari 800) But, comments like some of the ones posted below, and others I've received through email, or other places, are starting to really make me reconsider my involvement with this project. Maybe I would be better off, just working on my own, on a different project, where I could once again, just enjoy programming. But, the other problem is that I do like to work on the mozilla project. But, being that I am only one person, don't have time to do development, and manage the project, and have a life. Sergei has been a great help, and greatly appreciate his contributions.
So, instead of giving up, I would like to ask for help from the community. You don't need to be a developer. All you need is the computer resources to be able to build mozilla. Someone to keep track of bugs in bugzilla, apply patches created by developers, and build them and test them. These are all really simple tasks, but, they take time. Time that I don't have.
So, if you want to help, let me know.
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By s_d - Posted on December 1, 2002 - 17:53:06 (#4521)
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I don't care more abous such light-brained flooders as Jess, but sad truth is lack of developers.
To be really improved, BeZilla needs at least one more competent dedicated developer, for organizational reasons.
Currently there are only two real developers, Paul, as team lead and me, as contributor.
But Paul seems to have lot of other involvements in various BeOS projects, besides his full-time IT job.
And this situation is problematic - some my patches stay untested and unreviewed for weeks and months. And vice versa - e.g. i found time to for bughunting in Application Helper Service 2 or 3 month after (non-working) patch was submitted by Paul.
But in such huge project it slows development down heavily, inspite maybe there isn't any excplicit dependency in problems to solve.
I understand that it is general problem for BeOS - too few developers, too much to do, but browser is really most important part of computer experience nowadays.
Also i have to say, as disappointment for some naive people, that expectation on any wonder or God From Machine - some super-puper native browser appearing from nothing soon is senseless.
As it said here before - both Phoenix and Galeon-type browser are heavily dependent on Mozilla, and without involvement in Mozilla development it is impossible to create/improve any of them.
And about "browser for scratch" - do we need another Net+? We already have one. And any featured browser needs nowadays needs years and years to be created.
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By Assimil8or - Posted on December 1, 2002 - 16:09:49 (#4518)
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I agree, that mozilla for BeOS is proably the worst, but it is far from useless. When you look at older mozilla versions and compare them to what we have now, ... woohoo! ;)
I also don't think that the Bezilla team should focus on Phoenix, because Phoenix is bades on Mozilla and if a Bug is fixed in the Mozilla-code it is most likely fixed for every other XUL-application, too. [I'm actually using Phoenix right now becase it's a little bit faster and becasue I don't need the Mozilla-features right now.]
I would prefer an native gecko-borwser, too. But this won't be much better if Mozilla (Gecko) for BeOS is not mature enough.
Daniel "Assimil8or" Furrer
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By narmox - Posted on December 1, 2002 - 16:02:08 (#4516)
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I too was disappointed with mozilla, so I tried stripzilla and for some reason it's way more stable and it's also way more usable
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By Jess - Posted on December 1, 2002 - 15:24:42 (#4514)
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I totaly agree man unless your cpu is over 2ghz Mozilla is a slow piece of crap that crashes just as you get where you where going. Net+ is still my god of surf & I only pull out Moz when it's ABSOLULTY needed. The catch here is Pheonix is moving quick & IMO is already better in potential then mozilla, it's faster got the important features & aside from a few problems (not really problems when you considder how early it is in development) It's our best hope. The sad thing is I've seen so many people say mozilla is way better on BONE but i've tried it. it's just as flaky slow & the plug-ins no longer work under a BONE system. So screw mozilla I say all the Mozilla teams should combine efforts on Phoenix on the main tree. If there is enough development on it as a whole ni the tree then it's not just a port. As things are now (I may be wrong) these applications are developed Linux native & ports are branched off. So our guys wait for the maintainers to do tast X & then port the update. I think we need to be a tad more active if possible as even as good as pheonix can be it's not native & a native code base wil almost allways be best unless n00b extrordinare is chief project leader ;) but you get my drift. I'd like to hear what if anything became of Net++ but from what I heard that was bassed off geko. Great but while web browsers are seemingly as daunting a task as building an OS I find it sad we have so little our own. Everything is just scraps from the linux community. (I'll probably see 40 flames for that one but it's true)
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By Canio - Posted on December 1, 2002 - 14:28:58 (#4512)
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I don't understand your comments.
Mozilla for BeOS is by far the worst version of Mozilla. In other operating systems (Win, Linux, Mac, etc) Mozilla is fantastic (my default browser in my Win2K box: smooth, stable...), but the BeOS version is almost useless. Only when Net+ fails I run it... never it is my first option. The fact is that today, nearly 2003, we still don't have a good browser for BeOS. And it's getting late...
I'm not a developer (please, don't tell me "do it yourself", because it isn't going to happen), so I only can say the truth:
Mozilla for BeOS is rubbish. Always.
Is anybody going to fix it definitely?
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| When all else fails... |
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By Reddog99 - Posted on December 1, 2002 - 11:12:57 (#4510)
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When all else fails, read directions.
My previous segment fault problem was "cured" by deleting my old Mozilla folder before installing the new one. It works great now! :-) Thanks for the work on this great browser!
Pat
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| Bug reports ... |
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By arougthopher - Posted on November 30, 2002 - 21:40:58 (#4496)
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Please post bug reports to the forums at www.bezilla.org.
It is MUCH easier for me to track, and keep organized.
If you have something nice to say about BeZilla, post a comment here, for all to see.
If you don't have anything nice to say, then don't say anything at all :-)
-paul
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| menu font revisited |
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By mortee - Posted on November 30, 2002 - 21:34:34 (#4495)
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>> Is there some prefs setting to set the font and size
>> BeZilla uses for its menus?
>
>No
OK. Just for the record:
http://www.mozilla.org/unix/customizing.html#usercss
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| autocomplete list pop-up broken |
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By mortee - Posted on November 30, 2002 - 21:25:49 (#4494)
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The subject says it all - I have the location bar autocomplete match list pop-up enabled, but the list is not popped up as I type, and even if I pull down the list by clicking on the triangle on the right, it isn't filtered by what I typed so far.
Anyway, is this a good place to post such notices, or is there a better way of feedback?
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By arougthopher - Posted on November 30, 2002 - 21:22:56 (#4493)
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> ... 1.2 then, still no printer support.
> As long as this isn't fixed, i couldn't use it as a
> standard.
Well, sorry for that. If you want to pay me so that I can work on BeZilla full-time, I'll implement it. But, as I doubt you can pay me more than my current employer, w/ benefits and bonuses, I guess you have to wait like the rest of us :-)
> I had to revert back to 1.1.
> 1.2 consistantly gives me a segment violation while
> the splash screen was showing, so I never got to run
> it.
If you could post more information about the problem you are getting in the "Bug Report" forum at www.bezilla.org, I'll try to help you out.
> This is nice! Prior to this I'd never seen the mail
> component work properly under BeOS.
Great!
> Please take my success with the following caveats:
> testing happened with a more or less vanilla install
> of 5.1/Dan0 and the only Mozilla I'd have on it so
> far was the standard build of 1.1.
Glad it work. But, I in NO WAY shape or form, support the Dano release of BeOS. Sorry :-(
> All that said, this rocks! Now if only Phoenix
> didn't flip out with Bone...
The Phoenix build released on BeBits was by another developer, with different ideas about what to do with it than myself. I, would like to just release Phoenix, for BeOS, unmodified from the original developer's version.
> The full screen option is working OK but it didn't
> when I first started Bezilla. Anyway I love it
Hmmm, I have yet to have a problem with full-screen mode. Glad it is working for you now!
> Is there some prefs setting to set the font and size
> BeZilla uses for its menus?
No
> Of course, the correct solution would be to have
> BeZilla interpret such font sizes as supposed.
Correct, which, after some quick looking at the code, it is trying to do, though, not correctly, I gather :-) If you could file a bug report, at least at www.bezilla.org, that would be great.
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By mortee - Posted on November 30, 2002 - 16:23:48 (#4490)
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In the BeOS Menu Prefs applet my menu font is set to 12 point CopprplGoth. BeZilla seems to interpret this size setting in pixels or something like that, because it shows the menu as shown on the inner menu bar on the image linked below, while it is supposed to look like the outer (ImageViewer's) one.
http://goliat.eik.bme.hu/~morton/files/menu-font-sizes.jpg
Is there some prefs setting to set the font and size BeZilla uses for its menus?
Of course, the correct solution would be to have BeZilla interpret such font sizes as supposed.
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| Full screen IS working OK ( after restart ) |
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By EdZonneveld - Posted on November 30, 2002 - 10:24:37 (#4489)
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The full screen option is working OK but it didn't when I first started Bezilla. Anyway I love it
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| hell yeah! IMAP Mail works :) |
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By mainlymac - Posted on November 30, 2002 - 06:56:29 (#4482)
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This is nice! Prior to this I'd never seen the mail component work properly under BeOS. Please take my success with the following caveats: testing happened with a more or less vanilla install of 5.1/Dan0and the only Mozilla I'd have on it so far was the standard build of 1.1. All that said, this rocks! Now if only Phoenix didn't flip out with Bone...
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| Had to revert... |
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By Reddog99 - Posted on November 30, 2002 - 05:30:48 (#4479)
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I had to revert back to 1.1.
1.2 consistantly gives me a segment violation while the splash screen was showing, so I never got to run it.
Pat
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| All people involved, THANK YOU VERY VERY MUCH |
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By EdZonneveld - Posted on November 29, 2002 - 22:31:43 (#4470)
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Bookmarks are much better and haven't had a crash yet ;-)
Like to see the "full screen" button working, now it fills the screen and make the yellow text bar dissapear so I can't make the browser window smaller again.
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| if only printing would work... |
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By Pink Chick - Posted on November 29, 2002 - 19:56:09 (#4469)
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... 1.2 then, still no printer support.
As long as this isn't fixed, i couldn't use it as a standard.
<sigh>
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| an ongoing Thank you :) |
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By SurGreen - Posted on October 19, 2002 - 14:14:43 (#3671)
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BeZilla has only been improving! .. subtly .. yes , but improving it is! While I generally use N+ { the Tab browsing is great.. but I am a Be freak and am used to having several apps doing everything! :) } for the Be news sites etc , BeZilla lets me get my banking done and get to most other sites with little more than appearance hiccoughs [this I will put down to sites coding for 'preferred' browsers] .. I am fortunate to have no bias .....
To keep it simple.. THAANKS HEAPS for a modern web browser for the BeOS! It works fine! {..learn to bookmark often tho' :) }
ROCK!
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| Thanks for the help |
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By Casey_Manus - Posted on October 8, 2002 - 22:42:23 (#3496)
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I am running Pro, but I had neglected to remember to update to .01 and .03. Thanks.
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| re: Can some one help |
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By arougthopher - Posted on October 8, 2002 - 04:53:44 (#3489)
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In a nutshell, check out the FAQ and forums at
http://www.bezilla.org
My initial guess, is that you are running Personal Edition, and have not applied the 5.0.1 and 5.0.3 patches.
If you still have questions, post a comment in the forums at bezilla.org.
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| Can some one help |
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By Casey_Manus - Posted on October 8, 2002 - 03:40:36 (#3488)
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I am having an issue when I try to run the mozilla script right after unziping I get
$ ./mozilla
/boot/mozilla/run-mozilla.sh: which: command not found
/boot/mozilla/run-mozilla.sh: ./mozilla-bin: Symbol not found
I have downloaded it multible times to try to rule out a corrupt file
I have been expanding to /boot/mozilla.
Any suggestions?
Thanks
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| re: Phoenix |
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By StephenBNB - Posted on October 7, 2002 - 15:40:51 (#3477)
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Thanks for the quick reply, arougthopher. Too bad about it not building, but it's cool to know it's on the radar!
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