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Re: Splashscreen

By lichtgestalt - Posted on April 19, 2004 - 15:20:21 (#12119)
Current version when comment was posted: 20040412 Firefox/0.8.0+

Oh, I think you're right. That splash screen was with the mozilla I ran before. And I too hope the Alt-Q comes back. "Thick fingers"... hehe
Thanks!

re: lichtgestalt

By tb100 - Posted on April 19, 2004 - 14:38:53 (#12118)
Current version when comment was posted: 20040412 Firefox/0.8.0+

I don't think Firefox has ever had a splash screen. Incidentally I think BeOS is one of the few ports that still has a splash screen for the main mozilla suite, the latest cross platform guidelines recommend against splash screens entirely.

The alt-Q is also a cross platform thing. Some stupid linux user with fat fingers filed a bug about hitting Q by accident when trying to press W. Even though it goes against the usual shortcuts on platforms like BeOS and MacOS, the change was submitted. Recent mozillas warn when trying to close a page with many tabs though, so the alt-Q shortcut may get reinstated again some other time.

Wow - JavaScript Console works

By moooooooo - Posted on April 19, 2004 - 11:44:26 (#12114)
Current version when comment was posted: 20040412 Firefox/0.8.0+

well done guys. this is super quick too. (Firefox)
i look forward to trying the bleeding Mozilla next :-)

i love the Mozilla Sidebars...and i'll test that for you in Mozilla
cheers
peter

By lichtgestalt - Posted on April 19, 2004 - 09:15:32 (#12113)
Current version when comment was posted: 20040412 Firefox/0.8.0+

In fact, not-quitter. Alt-W closes the tab and, fortunately, never the whole browser. However, Alt-Q doesn't seem to work anymore (net_server build here).

Splish, Splash...

By lichtgestalt - Posted on April 19, 2004 - 08:35:15 (#12112)
Current version when comment was posted: 20040412 Firefox/0.8.0+

The recent (net_server) builds don't have a splash screen anymore. Even after adding one as MOZILLA:SPLASH to the firefox-bin resources it won't show up. Is that intentional? I kinda liked that with my old system taking over 5 seconds to launch the browser.

re: printing

By Philippe Houdoin - Posted on April 18, 2004 - 17:29:09 (#12108)
Current version when comment was posted: 20040412 Firefox/0.8.0+

It's starting being off-topic, but:

> system would crash every time I tried to add or modify a printer

By "crash" I guess you got a crash error, not the whole BeOS system, right?
If yes, that's just because your Printers preflet is not BONE-compatible. Try to find printers_preferences_bone.zip on the wild and update it.

> and crash on shutdown any time I'd tried to print (from any app) under BONE.

You mean here print_server crash at shutdown?
Maybe because of some buggy printer driver or print transport add-ons. I may even be the guilty guy who write it/them! :-(

If you've once installed PDF Writer or Canon BubbleJet print drivers, or some print transport add-ons coming from OBOS, please update them as we (OBOS print team) had fix this known issue with our add-ons...

- Phil

re: printing

By tigerdog - Posted on April 18, 2004 - 16:04:11 (#12105)
Current version when comment was posted: 20040412 Firefox/0.8.0+

I meant general system printing: system would crash every time I tried to add or modify a printer, and crash on shutdown any time I'd tried to print (from any app) under BONE. Sorry if I sounded like I was raising printing as a Firefox isse.

By tb100 - Posted on April 18, 2004 - 00:52:19 (#12102)
Current version when comment was posted: 20040412 Firefox/0.8.0+

Printing doesn't work; under BONE or net_server.

It's not been implemented yet. It may be in the future, but I for one am really busy atm

0409 netserver build questions

By tigerdog - Posted on April 17, 2004 - 19:00:48 (#12100)
Current version when comment was posted: 20040412 Firefox/0.8.0+

On the latest netserver build, the program doesn't seem to remember window size and position between executions. It always starts up with a smallish window in the top left of the desktop.

Also, I would like to learn how to make BeOS recognize firefox as my default browser for URL links, etc.

thanks, Decaf!

By tigerdog - Posted on April 17, 2004 - 18:59:07 (#12099)
Current version when comment was posted: 20040412 Firefox/0.8.0+

having options (even for scrolling) is a great thing. On a related note, I'm actually swiching back to netserver for stability reasons (I never could fix printing under BONE.) I'll continue to use and test the netserver version. Thanks again to the team for their dedication!

Re:MIssing certificates

By tqh - Posted on April 17, 2004 - 13:30:51 (#12094)
Current version when comment was posted: 20040412 Firefox/0.8.0+

It seems to work in my development-tree, so it's either due to our current packaging or it was just broken with that builds sourcecode.

Re:MIssing certificates

By tqh - Posted on April 17, 2004 - 13:21:11 (#12093)
Current version when comment was posted: 20040412 Firefox/0.8.0+

Yes it seems so. Hmm...

MIssing certificates

By Soulbender - Posted on April 17, 2004 - 12:57:00 (#12092)
Current version when comment was posted: 20040412 Firefox/0.8.0+

The last few Firefox builds seems to lack certificates for certification authorities (ie Verisign, Thawte etc).

By tqh - Posted on April 16, 2004 - 07:26:20 (#12071)
Current version when comment was posted: 20040412 Firefox/0.8.0+

I was just trying to explain what was done and why.

If you replace libwidget_beos.so in lib (make a backup) with the one linked below you can get the old scrolling behaviour. It may be better on a slow system.
http://bezilla.xentronix.com/libwidget_beos.so.zip

By tigerdog - Posted on April 16, 2004 - 06:07:04 (#12069)
Current version when comment was posted: 20040412 Firefox/0.8.0+

Sorry if I misunderstood the relationship between CONDVAR and the difference in behavior. I run BeOS on a very old system so every bit is noticeable. Besides, if the team is working to improve screen response, I KNOW it'll improve. The difference between today's Firefox and firebird from last year is truly amazing. I hope I didn't cause bad feelings.

Re Condvar and speed.

By tqh - Posted on April 15, 2004 - 07:23:59 (#12040)
Current version when comment was posted: 20040412 Firefox/0.8.0+

Condvar IMPROVES speed very much, not the other way around. The slowness of GUI is not due to lack of optimizations, but the fact that we do things differently when scrolling.

So even if I built a more optimized version it wouldn't help this, just be more crash-prone. IIRC fyysik is doing some work to speed this up, so it won't stay like that very long.

By Jess - Posted on April 15, 2004 - 07:21:40 (#12039)
Current version when comment was posted: 20040412 Firefox/0.8.0+

Hmm I normally complain a lot about speed as this system is pretty slow but if there is a speed dif between the last build I can't say I notice. Frankly I find this to be very acceptable speed wise & the scrolling is very smooth. This is indeed some serious work.

Have you tried disabling silly features that might be slowing you down ontop of the optimisations that had been removed?

scrollbar draw problems --> Firefox/Bone-20040412

By mainlymac - Posted on April 15, 2004 - 06:08:52 (#12038)
Current version when comment was posted: 20040412 Firefox/0.8.0+

Overall this build is quite snappy and solid, but I've noticed significant problems with the drawing, shading, and responsiveness of the scrollbar. I get areas that don't draw at all, and sometimes half the scrollbar just disappears, although functionality is still there.

0412 build noticeably slower

By tigerdog - Posted on April 15, 2004 - 04:33:36 (#12036)
Current version when comment was posted: 20040412 Firefox/0.8.0+

I read the BEOS readme and understand the reasons for removing optimizations, but at least on my old hardware, this new version is visibly slower than the previous. Is there any chance of working through the CONDVAR issues so as to maintain the speed advantage of the previous release? Thanks in advance!

By s_d - Posted on April 14, 2004 - 17:12:58 (#12026)
Current version when comment was posted: 20040412 Firefox/0.8.0+

No. You didn't catch bug description, probably. This is different thingie.
Net+ don't support iframes (at least in that form).
At all, iframes as MS invention is real evil and even for IE it causes not only bugs, but also kind of vulnerabilites, like endless refresh discovered recently.

Re:beusergroup.de

By s_d - Posted on April 14, 2004 - 17:05:43 (#12025)
Current version when comment was posted: 20040412 Firefox/0.8.0+

click on empty place outside iframe. It will scroll again properly.
this bug sometimes happens on other sites too.

P.S. I hope beusergroup.de and zetajournal especially corrected their tant against whole bebits and accusation
against all moderators, without making the differenc who was guilty in reality.

All-browser bug

By MYOB - Posted on April 14, 2004 - 16:57:06 (#12024)
Current version when comment was posted: 20040412 Firefox/0.8.0+

Thats a site design bug or even a bug in all browsers. Or at least its there in NetPositive with my extremely poor condition wheelmouse.

Meant the new Firefox 0.8

By Das Jott - Posted on April 14, 2004 - 16:56:02 (#12023)
Current version when comment was posted: 20040412 Firefox/0.8.0+

The post below was meant to the new Firefox

Mouse scroll-wheel...

By Das Jott - Posted on April 14, 2004 - 16:54:54 (#12022)
Current version when comment was posted: 20040412 Firefox/0.8.0+

I noticed on the Site beusergroup.de, that if you scroll down the site via scroll-wheel, it stops scrolling down when the bebits-box on the left has reached top. Then it scrolls further in this bebits-box and if it's scrolled to its end, nothing scrolls anymore... ;)

Hope that was understandable... ;)

Errors saving images

By Masque - Posted on April 14, 2004 - 14:43:18 (#12019)
Current version when comment was posted: 20040412 Firefox/0.8.0+

With the latest build of FireFox, every image I try to save (right click- save image as...) gives me one or more error boxes.
The image, however, is downloaded correctly.

This version rules...

By stippi - Posted on April 14, 2004 - 14:25:24 (#12018)
Current version when comment was posted: 20040412 Firefox/0.8.0+

because it launches fast and looks much more organized and clean (the FireFox folder). We're getting there! :-)

-Stephan

Half way there

By Jess - Posted on April 14, 2004 - 12:55:35 (#12016)
Current version when comment was posted: 20040412 Firefox/0.8.0+

Ok I deleted the Mozilla folder & then unzipped it again. I guess when firefox first starts up it hard wires a script or something. Any how it won't seem to remember window dimentions. So I figured I'd just let you know if this wasn't reported already. Thanks for the kick butt work!!!

current BONE build

By Jess - Posted on April 14, 2004 - 12:43:58 (#12015)
Current version when comment was posted: 20040412 Firefox/0.8.0+

I just tried the newest BONE build of FireBird & for some reason it will not start if run from my apps directopry but will if I start it off my desktop. Any ideas & yes I've tried deleteing my settings & such :)

By Hugh - Posted on April 14, 2004 - 12:38:31 (#12014)
Current version when comment was posted: 20040412 Firefox/0.8.0+

hehe... sorry to hurry you, I'm just impatient to get some fresh browsing-experience here;)

ListView: ouch, that hurt,-) I'll definitely continue work on it soon, but I have some university- and work-related deadlines to meet, too... no excuse for the long inactivity though, I know:-|

BTW obvious workaround (which I only realised some weeks ago) for the download-crash is to disable the download-window-option (deselecting "show when a download starts")... ;-)

By Franxico - Posted on April 14, 2004 - 03:06:36 (#12006)
Current version when comment was posted: 20040412 Firefox/0.8.0+

There's the link to the mouse gestures project. Build 20031118 works fine with me using Firefox. It should work with Mozilla too.

http://optimoz.mozdev.org/gestures/installation.html

By Rene Gollent - Posted on April 14, 2004 - 01:37:37 (#12003)
Current version when comment was posted: 20040412 Firefox/0.8.0+

The new build seems to work nicely here. Faster and some of the graphics glitches I was getting with 0218 are no longer there. Nice work :)

By s_d - Posted on April 13, 2004 - 21:52:10 (#12000)
Current version when comment was posted: 20040218-BONE-BLEEDING_EDGE

And where is long-promised ListView class?:))

Actually, there are two dates. Date of original cvs sourse (in name of mys zips) and date of building.
I add also version number to cvs-date.

So, try to understand that bone-builds aren't old in BeOS-specific sense - those are quite fresh with lot of specific patches.

Why i use old cvs sources too apply BeOS pacthes instead using nightly - that's different story, unrelated to perfectness and progress of beOS port, but related to some build config problems and proven stability

Re:No new BONE-build

By tqh - Posted on April 13, 2004 - 21:29:54 (#11999)
Current version when comment was posted: 20040218-BONE-BLEEDING_EDGE

Dammit, just wait a couple of minutes will you :)

I'm trying to find the info for putting up a new build on BeBits right now.

Ah, and fresh of the press with Franxicos latest additions is the great (IMNSHO) Firefox building guide, http://wiki.bebits.com/page/BuildingFirebird

No new BONE-build?

By Hugh - Posted on April 13, 2004 - 21:15:16 (#11998)
Current version when comment was posted: 20040218-BONE-BLEEDING_EDGE

It's great to see new builds out, but what happened to the BONE-builds of Firefox and Mozilla?
According to the name, they are still the same dating back to Feb/04...

Is there a current howto on building Firefox for BONE? I'd like to have a shot to test out the new bugfixes...

where are your bookmarks

By Jess - Posted on April 13, 2004 - 02:10:54 (#11979)
Current version when comment was posted: 20040218-BONE-BLEEDING_EDGE

Where does Mozilla keep the user added bookmarks?

By Jess - Posted on April 13, 2004 - 01:53:05 (#11978)
Current version when comment was posted: 20040218-BONE-BLEEDING_EDGE

sry it was a few pages back.

Sry I don't see it

By Jess - Posted on April 13, 2004 - 01:04:06 (#11977)
Current version when comment was posted: 20040218-BONE-BLEEDING_EDGE

I can't seem to find anything recent on reordering things to keep the bleeding edge from nuking the add-ons memory subsystem.

By sarana - Posted on April 12, 2004 - 18:47:26 (#11966)
Current version when comment was posted: 20040218-BONE-BLEEDING_EDGE

I also felt frustrated with the scrolling marker leaving itself on the page. I found that using all-in-one mouse gestures, when you select the auto-scrolling option clicked on the first tab of the options window and the show no marker option on the third tab does the trick, if you don't want the marker at all :). I think the scrolling is smoother than the native scrolling, too.

This, in the meantime.

P.S.

I tried a couple other mouse gesture extensions for this, don't remember which, and I didn't get them to work and this one I did. I think there are other extensions out there made for the newer builds. Somewhere in the talkback section is a link to the page for them. Hope this helps.

Re: Edmundf

By tb100 - Posted on April 12, 2004 - 17:53:07 (#11963)
Current version when comment was posted: 20040218-BONE-BLEEDING_EDGE

Mozilla and firefox are big applications with fairly high system requirements. You probably need 128MB RAM to use them succesfully, although 64MB may work OK. Your processor is probably a bit on the slow side as well.

This is not just in the BeOS port -the official system requirements for mozilla and firefox mention a 233Mhz processor with 64MB RAM (with 128 strongly recommended).

version 20040409 netserver doesn't work

By edmundf - Posted on April 12, 2004 - 16:12:45 (#11956)
Current version when comment was posted: 20040218-BONE-BLEEDING_EDGE

Nothing happens, when I type firefox, there is no info for BeOS in the readme file. I am very confused what all these builds are, eg Geko firefox firebird and what not.
None of these build are of any use on an old laptop 200MHz.
Some builds take 10 minutes to start up, others like firefox don't do anything at all.



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