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Yes, *serious* dataloss (read the bug!)

By Prognathous - Posted on May 9, 2003 - 21:46:30 (#7234)
Current version when comment was posted: 1.4b0.6

As for Windows, as long as you use Ctrl+W and Alt+F->X you should be fine. Unfortunately, Microsoft is braindead enough to only implement Ctrl+W in Explorer and in Internet Explorer. For most other Windows programs (excluding Mozilla), you have to use the stupidest keyboard shortcut ever invented: Alt+F4 (try do press it without lifting your elbow...)

Prog.

serious data loss?! What?!

By BryanV - Posted on May 9, 2003 - 20:18:44 (#7233)
Current version when comment was posted: 1.4b0.6

Um... it's only a problem if the program is really stupid, and dosen't ask if you want to save changes before you exit.

As far as alt-q, alt-w, windows uses ctrl-f4, alt-f4, which can also get mistaken (I do that frequently).

I've never had a problem with alt( or command on a mac)-q and w.

Anyhow, if they got alt-q working, they could be my kid's godfathers (if the world is ever unfortunate enough that I reproduce that is).

Alt+Q is actually a more of a UI design bug in BeOS itself...

By Prognathous - Posted on May 9, 2003 - 20:09:10 (#7232)
Current version when comment was posted: 1.4b0.6

Be followed MacOS (Command+Q) on this one, but unfortunately it was a bad decision. The reason is simple: Alt+Q is too close to Alt+W, which means that it is very simple to inadvertently quit your application instead of closing a window. The result may be serious dataloss.

See the following Mozilla bug for more details:
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52821

To Sergei and Paul: please *don't* implement Alt+Q.

Prog.

Closing bug

By ahwayakchih - Posted on May 9, 2003 - 19:50:14 (#7231)
Current version when comment was posted: 1.4b0.6

I use StripZilla and it has similar problem - when i want to reboot, or shutdown, mozilla doesn't respond to shutdown procedure - i have to kill it (or close before shutting down).

A couple Firebird bugs

By Switkin - Posted on May 9, 2003 - 19:26:50 (#7230)
Current version when comment was posted: 1.4b0.6

So it looks like NetPositive bookmarks still don't work - they appear in the menu correctly, but choosing one does nothing.

The other thing I mentioned before - if you look in the File menu, Quit does not have any shortcut, so Alt-Q does nothing. But a new thing I found, choosing Close All from the Deskbar menu for Firebird does nothing either.

By vivid - Posted on May 9, 2003 - 18:07:47 (#7229)
Current version when comment was posted: 1.4b0.6

The new Firebird build is the best Gecko-based browser I've used on Be yet. Great work!

By zenja - Posted on May 8, 2003 - 10:49:44 (#7214)
Current version when comment was posted: 1.4b0.6

Cute - the Firebird binary is called Phoenix :-)

Nice work everyone.

By borg1980 - Posted on May 8, 2003 - 10:31:59 (#7213)
Current version when comment was posted: 1.4b0.6

Thank You for a great work :-)

As for the new Netserver Firebird build - it's fantastic!

By Prognathous - Posted on May 8, 2003 - 02:54:30 (#7210)
Current version when comment was posted: 1.4b0.6

The caret problem is now almost completely fixed, and the invisible images bug is gone. These were the two most obvious bugs. Performance is also noticeably improved.

I think that this is the first time BeOS users have a truly modern browser without obvious problems. A historical moment :-)

Keep up the good work!

Prog.

true

By SD - Posted on May 8, 2003 - 01:18:11 (#7209)
Current version when comment was posted: 1.4b0.6

heh, Prognathous
Just thought about it 15 minutes ago when uploaded/added disreali-s builds.

But i hope that this page will disappear at all in future, and we can download all flavours of necko-based BeOS-solutions from Mozilla.org or BeZilla.org.

Anyway, currently StripZilla page has some consistency - all apps here are out-of-mainstream a bit, unofficial and having my patches not yet in tree.

Sure, i wish to move Firebird builds out of here, but it needs agreement between Elliot, Decaf and Disrealy, which is not my bussiness. I rather prefer to provide people with ability to test fresh builds (this is by default for all other platforms) rather than do some organizational work.

IMHO, the Stripzilla page should be reorganized...

By Prognathous - Posted on May 8, 2003 - 00:56:42 (#7208)
Current version when comment was posted: 1.4b0.6

It's too long and too confusing.

Sergei, don't you think that it would be better to divide this into several Bebits pages/applications?

Prog.

Mozilla Firebird is looking great on BeOS!

By ycrevecoeur - Posted on April 24, 2003 - 02:44:34 (#7022)
Current version when comment was posted: 1.4t FastProperFrames

What about Mozilla Thunderbird?

Why does the Bone version...

By Jess - Posted on April 19, 2003 - 22:51:56 (#6950)
Current version when comment was posted: 1.4t FastProperFrames

Why does the Bone version ignore plug ins?

FFAA

By Switkin - Posted on April 17, 2003 - 04:30:31 (#6917)
Current version when comment was posted: 1.4t FastProperFrames

The text boxes seem much better in FFAA, thanks. The cursor line will still remain sometimes when you tab to the next field, but the focus issues seem fixed.

fonts are fine for me

By moooooooo - Posted on April 17, 2003 - 00:40:29 (#6916)
Current version when comment was posted: 1.4t FastProperFrames

with my font preferences, this works fine for me.

thanks for working so hard on this.
peter

2 Switkin - fonts again

By s_d - Posted on April 16, 2003 - 23:07:11 (#6915)
Current version when comment was posted: 1.4t FastProperFrames

Try to follow thread about fonts here in talkback.
No problem to fix that, problem is to know what exactly we need fix and how?
Someone tells those fonts are too small, someone - too big.
For me at least in Mozilla/Classic with my font settings all is perfect.

So we need to something more than several complaints with contradictiong opinions.

We need to develop some principles about it.
Once it is done, implementation may be quite easy and fast.

By Switkin - Posted on April 16, 2003 - 22:21:59 (#6914)
Current version when comment was posted: 1.4t FastProperFrames

Alt-C and Alt-V work fine for me. The problem is that the Quit menu item under File has no shortcut at all - it's blank!

The download folder problem somehow fixed itself when I installed the BeOS theme for Phoenix.

As for the fonts, it looks pretty bad. The menu bar, status bar, popup menus, tabs, etc. and the entire Options dialog uses fonts that are too big. Changing the preferences for various encodings doesn't seem to help, that only changes the content of websites.

It's a shame, because these small items can be annoying and unprofessional, just like in Mozilla, and they detract from what is otherwise a pretty usable browser.

Re: Switkin

By s_d - Posted on April 16, 2003 - 21:29:47 (#6913)
Current version when comment was posted: 1.4t FastProperFrames

Nobody is working on Phenix especially yet.
so, bookmarks problem is phoenix-specifical, while some other problems are common with mozilla.

Outline resize: i'm sad, but seems no way around of laggy and dropy resize/page reflow, especailly on complex pages. B_OUTLINE_RESIZE seems only BeOS mode which allows generate frame resize event only on mouse release. Current code has poor fix (using ResizeRunner), but it don't make resizing nicer.
Personaly in current situation i DEFINITELY prefer B_OUTLINE_RESIZE.

Alt-Q problem:
Do Alt+C/Alt+V work as copy/paste for you now?
If not, set menu/shortcut assignments in prefs.js

Download Folder:
No wonder, even patch for Mozilla download folder isnt' checked in yet.

menu-bar fonts:
See my comment here under name "Font sizes" as answer to previous requests.

Text-box issues:

Those are focus handling issues.
Seems Phoenix window/focus handling model differs a bit from xpfe/Mozilla one, but at all focus handling in BeOS port is still very bad and hacky at all.

Phoenix latest build

By Switkin - Posted on April 16, 2003 - 20:20:17 (#6912)
Current version when comment was posted: 1.4t FastProperFrames

Some bugs in this latest release:

1. The menubar fonts are way too big
2. NetPositive bookmarks are imported but clicking on them does nothing
3. Cannot pick a download folder in Options/General
4. There is no Alt-Q shortcut to Quit
5. Please turn off outline window resizing
6. There are still many text box issues, including the cursor not appearing after you click until you type, and highlighting one box with the mouse but having the characters type into another.

On the plus side, Bugzilla never looked so good - all the controls work, including drop down boxes with scrollbars. Nice!

Yep

By tqh - Posted on April 15, 2003 - 19:20:38 (#6880)
Current version when comment was posted: 1.4t FastProperFrames

It seems to be the same here too, both are blazingly fast :)

By rain - Posted on April 15, 2003 - 19:11:01 (#6879)
Current version when comment was posted: 1.4t FastProperFrames

seems like I should have restarted it cause the second run was a lot faster. about the same speed as mozilla now, some things are even a bit faster.

By tqh - Posted on April 15, 2003 - 18:26:02 (#6877)
Current version when comment was posted: 1.4t FastProperFrames

I havn't heard that from anyone else, but I'll download Stripzilla and see how it works. I'm also working on removing that libdl.so dependency (but it seems it was a lot easier to add than remove :( )

By rain - Posted on April 15, 2003 - 18:06:54 (#6876)
Current version when comment was posted: 1.4t FastProperFrames

is it just on my computer or is this poenix build a lot slower than the latest "JustBrowser" build? what would be the reasons for this?

re: Binary executable

By disreali - Posted on April 14, 2003 - 07:03:59 (#6844)
Current version when comment was posted: 1.4t FastProperFrames

Where is this script? Is it availiable for download/use? If not can you share it?

Thanks.

Looks promising

By Tom_Artosorse - Posted on April 13, 2003 - 19:54:07 (#6841)
Current version when comment was posted: 1.4t FastProperFrames

Just had a quick go with phoenix and I have to say that I am quite impressed - I'm assume that some stuff is not working yet because this is an early build?

So far, imported net+ bookmarks do not load, and under 'options', I cannot specify a downloads directory. I'm not moaning or anything, just thought it would help to point these things out ;o)

Binary executable

By looncraz - Posted on April 13, 2003 - 16:13:58 (#6839)
Current version when comment was posted: 1.4t FastProperFrames

PhOS (my pet project moons ago) came with a true binary build of Mozilla that I did. Though it wasn't a build that did it, but a script named moz2bin.sh

You ran that script and it reorganized the libs and then modified where the bin looks for them.

That essentially means that it should be possible to code a BeOS-executable that uses static libs, so you have everything needed (and only that) compiled into a single file.

I believe mozilla should be made so that it uses Be API over the moz junk whenever possible. For instance, rewriting the prefs ain't a big deal (just a lot of options), and you don't need to stay compatible with the old prefs files.

I am probably capable of doing it, though I have heard coders more advanced than me say they gave up after ten minutes of trying to figure out how to create a new Be API-based front end for the moz core. Oh well, that is life I guess.

--The loon

OH yeah, this Phoenix seems to work on Zeta pretty well, too.

This Phoenix rocks on dano!

By ycrevecoeur - Posted on April 13, 2003 - 15:32:16 (#6838)
Current version when comment was posted: 1.4t FastProperFrames

libdl.so is indeed needed for it to run.
http://bebits.com/app/2917

It Rocks!
Thanks Decaf!

Phoenix needs libdl.so

By Garjala - Posted on April 13, 2003 - 12:26:54 (#6836)
Current version when comment was posted: 1.4t FastProperFrames

Latest Phoenix needs libdl.so which can be downloaded from BeBits

re: run mozilla without scripts

By disreali - Posted on April 7, 2003 - 05:15:26 (#6751)
Current version when comment was posted: 1.4t FastProperFrames

I've read that tip and tried it, but you have to re-copy all the files for each new version of Mozilla that you install. As I test the nightly builds each time they are released, the tip suggested in not an acceptable solution. I know that there have been modified verions of Mozilla that were compile executables only. No scripting.

If it was done before, why can't it be done again? I'm not yet proficient to knowhow to do it, but someone did it before.

By ahwayakchih - Posted on April 2, 2003 - 13:48:37 (#6703)
Current version when comment was posted: 1.4t FastProperFrames

Yeah, still net_server, so i'll wait for new version than :)
THX.

By s_d - Posted on April 2, 2003 - 12:03:41 (#6700)
Current version when comment was posted: 1.4t FastProperFrames

Do you use netserver build?
It lags for known reason.
One mistake with background transparence is fixed in bone builds.

By ahwayakchih - Posted on April 2, 2003 - 09:34:58 (#6698)
Current version when comment was posted: 1.4t FastProperFrames

Works better and better with each release :)

esxcept a bug here or there sometimes ;] It looks like rendering got screwed. On YellowTab's site You can show "site locations tree" which is a semi-transparent layer. mozilla 1.4 trunk doesn't make it transparent only pure white, and also it seems it renders white background 1 pixel too big on each side.

run mozilla without scripts

By fye - Posted on March 30, 2003 - 22:58:03 (#6664)
Current version when comment was posted: 1.4t FastProperFrames

this is *not* my tip, found it at betips.net. I'm just making sure everyone sees this. ;)
http://www.betips.net/chunga.php?id=802

I tried it on the newest stripzilla with bone, and it works, can't see any reason why it wouldn't work with others as well.

Tiny fonts on BeBits

By DaaT - Posted on March 27, 2003 - 14:53:33 (#6623)
Current version when comment was posted: 1.4t FastProperFrames

About those tiny and unreadable fonts on the "best rated" and "most popular" columns in bebits. To fix that, in the fonts preferences panel, uncheck the "allow documents to use other fonts".

DaaT

What About Composer?

By victor.domingos - Posted on March 27, 2003 - 12:22:56 (#6622)
Current version when comment was posted: 1.4t FastProperFrames

It would be great to have the Mozilla Composer also isolated from the Browser. And even better was to get theese stuff running faster. Nowadays, Mozilla is very slow, including Composer. Maybe if they were separate programs, they could run faster, hm?

.4t is nice thx Sd :P

By tarjan - Posted on March 27, 2003 - 08:21:46 (#6619)
Current version when comment was posted: 1.4t FastProperFrames

thx sD 1.4t is Cool

i`m korea beos user , i install your stripzilla and just edit prdfs.js (/boot/home/config/settings/Mozilla/default/z4jf6mwq.slt ) BC
Under Appearance -> Fonts, there is no language selected by default when I go in. Typically Korean is chosen and then I can set font sizes.
add
user_pref("font.language.group", "ko");
user_pref("font.minimum-size.ko", 15);
user_pref("font.name.fantasy.ko", "Saenaegi R");
user_pref("font.name.monospace.ko", "Saenaegi R");
user_pref("font.name.sans-serif.ko", "Saenaegi R");
user_pref("font.name.serif.ko", "Saenaegi R");
user_pref("font.size.fixed.ko", 15);
user_pref("font.size.variable.ko", 15);

user_pref("nglayout.initialpaint.delay", 0); //(from Tip http://www.linuxorbit.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticle&artid=546&page=1 )

this is my prefs.js file
-------------------------# Mozilla User Preferences
// This is a generated file!

user_pref("browser.cache.disk.parent_directory", "/boot/home/config/settings/Mozilla/default/z4jf6mwq.slt");
user_pref("browser.display.screen_resolution", 96);
user_pref("browser.download.dir", "/boot/home");
user_pref("browser.search.defaultengine", "engine:///boot/home/downloads/mozilla/searchplugins/NetscapeSearch.src");
user_pref("browser.startup.homepage", "http://www.mozilla.org/start/");
user_pref("browser.startup.homepage_override.mstone", "rv:1.4a");
user_pref("font.language.group", "ko");
user_pref("font.minimum-size.ko", 15);
user_pref("font.name.fantasy.ko", "Saenaegi R");
user_pref("font.name.monospace.ko", "Saenaegi R");
user_pref("font.name.sans-serif.ko", "Saenaegi R");
user_pref("font.name.serif.ko", "Saenaegi R");
user_pref("font.size.fixed.ko", 15);
user_pref("font.size.variable.ko", 15);
user_pref("general.skins.removelist.breeze/1.0", "true");
user_pref("intl.accept_languages", "ko, en-us, en");
user_pref("intl.charset.default", "EUC-KR");
user_pref("intl.charset.detector", "ko_parallel_state_machine");
user_pref("intl.charsetmenu.browser.cache", "EUC-KR");
user_pref("layout.reflow.dumpframebyframecounts", false);
user_pref("layout.reflow.dumpframecounts", false);
user_pref("layout.reflow.showframecounts", false);
user_pref("network.cookie.cookieBehavior", 0);
user_pref("nglayout.debug.disable_xul_cache", false);
user_pref("nglayout.debug.invalidate_dumping", false);
user_pref("nglayout.debug.motion_event_dumping", false);
user_pref("nglayout.debug.paint_dumping", false);
user_pref("nglayout.debug.paint_flashing", false);
user_pref("nglayout.initialpaint.delay", 0);
user_pref("prefs.converted-to-utf8", true);
user_pref("security.warn_submit_insecure", false);
user_pref("signon.SignonFileName", "48728630.s");
user_pref("timebomb.first_launch_time", "1048728291955707");
user_pref("update_notifications.provider.0.last_checked", 1049818275);
user_pref("wallet.SchemaValueFileName", "48729943.w");

thank so much :P

By s_d - Posted on March 27, 2003 - 02:08:35 (#6616)
Current version when comment was posted: 1.4t FastProperFrames

there is mistery for me now.
Someone complaints that Menu fonts are too big, some - too small. Some are about toolbar fonts.

What i can say about this problem for last builds - now stripzilla gfx library are more "responsive" for fontface and size and weight requests from higher-level mozilla code, while standard builds just fallback in lot of cases to plain pointer to be_plain font as is.
But which components requests certain size in certain case i don't know - sometimes it maybe some default from header file, sometimes Theme components. Sometimes preferences from prefs.js and user.js.

About fonts on pages. Nearly same story - so llok more carefully on font preferences settings for certain encodings - are "site fonts" allowed in checkbox or not, what is minimal size set - it may help just in your case, also sizes for so called generic fonts (sans-serif, serif, fixed etc) have big influence on rendering, especially when usage of "site fonts" is disallowed.

There is another parameter in font preferences - screen resolution. It also affects font size, because Mozilla while setting size for fonts uses it in caclucaltion from its internal coordinate scale, into OS/screen dependent scale. But it maybe has effect only after restart sometimes.

I know about "empty encoding" while opening font preferences for long time, but didn't manage to investigate reason - there are lot of other much more critical problems, and i'm almost alone: - so it is definitely in the end of todo-s queue

1.4t is nice but...

By vivid - Posted on March 27, 2003 - 01:34:08 (#6615)
Current version when comment was posted: 1.4t FastProperFrames

There are a couple things that seem a bit off...

- Fonts on the toolbars look like 12pt instead of 10, but menu fonts are the right size.

- Mozilla isn't remembering window position when I quit.

- Under Appearance -> Fonts, there is no language selected by default when I go in. Typically Western is chosen and then I can set font sizes.

- BeBits' right colum is rendering with a really small, squished font. It didn't do this with the 1.2 build.

Thanks for all your hard work. Mozilla (especially StripZilla) for BeOS is getting better with every release.

By ryanknapper - Posted on March 27, 2003 - 00:10:36 (#6613)
Current version when comment was posted: 1.4t FastProperFrames

Best version yet

By moooooooo - Posted on March 26, 2003 - 15:03:33 (#6609)
Current version when comment was posted: 1.4 trunk

well done Sergeii.

font rendering is awesome now and i'm very impressed with it as usual!
cheers
peter



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