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report on BONE update

By BeOS Mr X - Posted on November 14, 2005 - 21:33:57 (#18334)
Current version when comment was posted: from 2005-11-10 trunk

Wondering why: firefox-bin is on 117KB, instead of 17MB. All the .stub files came back, when we did not need them before. Does not run in ramdisk. Middle click on tabs does not close. While customizing toolbars, 'customize toolbar' window resizes. Makes a noise when my inpage search result is not found.

By tigerdog - Posted on November 14, 2005 - 21:33:54 (#18333)
Current version when comment was posted: from 2005-11-10 trunk

thanks for the note. Turns out, SeaMonkey has an option for setting the number of lines scrolled per mousewheel click. This version respects that field, which defaults to 1. Old version was hard-coded at 3. Unfortunately, Firefox has no equivalent "options" field. We're exploring options at the moment. Sorry for the inconvenience.

new zeta build scoll problems

By gaukler - Posted on November 14, 2005 - 17:59:42 (#18330)
Current version when comment was posted: from 2005-11-10 trunk

The latest Zeta build is unusable for me because of the VERY slow scrolling from my mouse wheel.
mark

customising toolbars and dragging items to or from the toolbars

By BeOS Mr X - Posted on November 7, 2005 - 00:45:15 (#18241)
Current version when comment was posted: from 2005-10-21 trunk.

DO NOT work at all using this version http://www.bebits.com/bob/19045/firefox-1.6a1.en-US.beosBONE-i586-o2-STATIC.zip

please fix this.

Mr X

narrowed it down to Angel

By Kevin_Field - Posted on November 3, 2005 - 22:11:50 (#18212)
Current version when comment was posted: from 2005-10-21 trunk.

So a few temp dirs are created during normal surfing, but I observed today that whenever I'm logged into Angel (an online learning suite my university uses), a pair of temp dirs is created every five *seconds*. I'll report it to them.

Kev

By s_d - Posted on November 2, 2005 - 19:04:28 (#18193)
Current version when comment was posted: from 2005-10-21 trunk.

If you need support for horzizontal wheel, read this:
http://www.livejournal.com/community/bezilla/140315.html

/boot/var/tmp

By Kevin_Field - Posted on November 1, 2005 - 14:06:24 (#18179)
Current version when comment was posted: from 2005-10-21 trunk.

Yep, that's the one.

I noticed this morning that R5 took a *long* pause on bootup...not sure if it's connected, but when I hit /tmp there was nothing there. Firefox was then a fair bit snappier at downloading and displaying the downloads window, but right away some of the subdirectories I was talking about appeared. Only two though so far, not the hundreds that appeared in a pretty short time span (couple days) last time.

Kev

By tigerdog - Posted on October 31, 2005 - 18:36:24 (#18172)
Current version when comment was posted: from 2005-10-21 trunk.

what is the exact path of the "temp directory" you mention? /boot/var/tmp? I haven't been able to duplicate this behavior here, but maybe I'm not looking in the right place.

Downloads window = crunch time

By Kevin_Field - Posted on October 28, 2005 - 21:28:52 (#18162)
Current version when comment was posted: from 2005-10-21 trunk.

Hey guys--fantastic job keeping up on these builds. Just something I've noticed lately is, when I go to download a file, there's a flurry of harddisk activity for several seconds before the window will come up when downloading something, even a small file. I found that there are a ton of (like, 800+) folders with names like 'ZIPATTmp_111_1573513438_ntf' in the temp directory, and they all have modification times from when I've had Firefox open. I've cleared this out before but it comes back rather quickly.

Also the last few days (maybe this is related) I've been staring at a PDF file or something, and I'll out of the blue hear the harddisk go nuts (although less loudly than when the Downloads window is being opened) for several minutes and then calm down. Is this because of fragmentation from all the temp directories or something? Maybe it's unrelated. No idea. :)

Is there any way to stop the directory pileup, anyhow?
Kev

To tigerdog / fyysik (again)

By BiPolar - Posted on October 25, 2005 - 09:16:05 (#18127)
Current version when comment was posted: from 2005-10-21 trunk.

Well, changing the DPI setting didn't fixed the issues with the default theme. No problem, HaikuFox makes it look better anyway :-)

BTW, sorry for the typo on my previous post:
"my be" should read "might be", of course.

To tigerdog / fyysik

By BiPolar - Posted on October 25, 2005 - 08:03:11 (#18125)
Current version when comment was posted: from 2005-10-21 trunk.

Hi, thanks for the tips.

Most, if not all, the gfx related issues I have mentioned dissapeared after I had installed the HaikuFox theme. I'll see if changing the dpi helps with the default theme.

[quote]
"Send me mouse with X-button which is working under BeOS, including working x-scrolling in other apps - and X-scrolling in BeZilla will be there at same evening."
[/quote]

Eh... my be quite expensive to send you my mouse from down here (Argentina).

Isn't possible to add support for the "be:wheel_delta_x" field anyway? Please! :-)
("Pe" works nicely with my mouse + the TwoWheels filter)

Again, Thanks for your work!

To Oscar again

By tigerdog - Posted on October 24, 2005 - 18:30:25 (#18118)
Current version when comment was posted: from 2005-10-21 trunk.

-----------------
Re: X-wheel and 5-pixels
----------------
Send me mouse with X-button which is working under BeOS, including working x-scrolling in other apps - and X-scrolling in BeZilla will be there at same evening.

5-pixel shift of right-bottom corner was introduced intentionally, to avoid need to launch workspace preferences when some scammers/morons try to maximize your window to show you more porn and commercials, so you can resize it back to normal size.
If window really occupies full screen frame, you cannot use borders for move and resize.
Unfortunately it don't work with full-screen (F11), so
this preventive measure was put into bit wrong place in our code.
But i know how to put it work as expected.

fyysik

By tigerdog - Posted on October 24, 2005 - 16:15:49 (#18117)
Current version when comment was posted: from 2005-10-21 trunk.

Thanks for the feedback! To address some of your points:

Imported Net+ bookmarks appear correctly, but do not work :-(
*sadly, a longstanding bug. The dev team has prioritized this rather low, since we believe most BeOS users are already using something other than NetPositive and migration is less an issue than it was 5 years ago.
- Checkmarks are missing from the menus (ie. besides "Work offline").
- Same for the ">" sign that indicates submenus.
* Interesting. Which other places do you expect checkmarks? And which theme are you using?
- Scrollbar's buttons seem to be displaced (gfxs not centered)
* again, may be theme related. I'm not currently seeing this under Zeta with HaikuFox.
- When you maximize the window (by using the right button on the window's tab), it doesn't fits the whole screen, ie, it leaves around of 5 pixels both on the bottom and on the right.
* never noticed that - thanks for pointing it out!
- Doesn't responds to the second (X axis) wheel on my mouse. "TwoWheels" here on BeBits and Haiku's mouse drivers make it possible to receive "be:wheel_delta_x" with values other than zeros.
* I have to leave this to our resident scrolling expert, fyysik.

Regarding the misplaced scroll-thumb graphics: Firefox defaults to assume a 96dpi screen resolution. BeOS is oriented around 72dpi. Changing this makes a marked improvement in browser appearance. You can do this through the control panel:
tools/options/content/fonts and colors/advanced and selecting 72dpi in the appropriate pull-down. You can also type about:config in the url bar, type "screen" in the filter bar and change the setting directly. I hope this helps!

What is "better"?

By frankps - Posted on October 24, 2005 - 00:18:58 (#18113)
Current version when comment was posted: from 2005-10-21 trunk.

Isn't that just what you feel? I assume you base this on speed.

But what is QuickFox? Isn't it just as Flock a fork of Firefox? And why shouldn't somebody find your work just a waste of time, just as you find Flock a waste of time? If you want to improve Firefox, why don't you then try to work together the BeZilla team. In my eyes you did just the same as the Flock team ... Nothing wrong in that, just be careful with taking credits for making Firefox better ... Others might not think the same.

It might be selfish from me, but I am personally interested in some of the new features or the improvements that Flock has compared to a standard Firefox build. And yes, Flock shows in benchmarks to be slower then Firefox. I am aware of that. It is also in an early stage of development: version 0.4.9. Having the same tagged bookmarks on the three operating systems that I am using (all three work related) helps. Just an example of one of the features I found interesting/helpful. Better integration with your picture gallery and blog are others. Some people might find these useless, others have been longing for them for some time. People are different.

Migrating to another OS isn't an option, something you might experience when you start working.

If nobody is willing to spend time on compiling Flock for ZETA/BeOS, that is ok for me. Last word is said from me in this case.

By BeOS Mr X - Posted on October 23, 2005 - 20:53:52 (#18112)
Current version when comment was posted: from 2005-10-21 trunk.

Funny you say that, because QuickFox does make Firefox better :)

Back on topic

By frankps - Posted on October 23, 2005 - 11:42:50 (#18107)
Current version when comment was posted: from 2005-10-21 trunk.

Nice to hear BeOS Mr X, I assume you will stop with QuickFox then and rather focus on getting Firefox better?

WOW! (and some comments)

By BiPolar - Posted on October 23, 2005 - 09:02:14 (#18106)
Current version when comment was posted: from 2005-10-21 trunk.

WOW! Excellent work! Very nice release! (using 1.6a1 net_server version)

I like very much to be able to rearrange the toolbars through DnD. Thanks for implementing that.
The are however a couple of minor things to report:

- Imported Net+ bookmarks appear correctly, but do not work :-(
- Checkmarks are missing from the menus (ie. besides "Work offline").
- Same for the ">" sign that indicates submenus.
- Scrollbar's buttons seem to be displaced (gfxs not centered)
- When you maximize the window (by using the right button on the window's tab), it doesn't fits the whole screen, ie, it leaves around of 5 pixels both on the bottom and on the right.
- Doesn't responds to the second (X axis) wheel on my mouse. "TwoWheels" here on BeBits and Haiku's mouse drivers make it possible to receive "be:wheel_delta_x" with values other than zeros.

As you can see... I'm being picky. That's because the rest rocks (I only have to find a way to disable iframes). I might end replacing my beloved Opera 3.62 one of these days :-P

Thanks for your work!

Oscar.

back on topic

By BeOS Mr X - Posted on October 22, 2005 - 20:37:46 (#18102)
Current version when comment was posted: 2005-10-02 trunk

Not to crash the party or anything, but we need to stop having these delusions here. Sure Flock seems pretty, but if you like it so much just go use it on win, mac, or lin. The reality is that its bloated and slow, and it would help if there was more interest in making Firefox/bleeding edge for BeOS on par with the quality of the Windows versions.

Flock is more then just extensions

By frankps - Posted on October 22, 2005 - 12:25:54 (#18098)
Current version when comment was posted: 2005-10-02 trunk

I have installed Flock on my Windows and MacOS X installations, and I am impressed of the browser.

I am pretty sure that there are lots of people that don't like this "social browser experience", and I can understand that people want privacy and that they don't want share everything.

But I dare say that Flock shows what future browsing might be. We use Internet to share more and more information, through RSS, blogs and galleries. I am already using Flickr (Pro) and Blogger, and started using http://del.icio.us/ just to sync my bookmarks, and as I don't really have any bookmarks I want to keep private, I know how an easy way of having access to any of them on my various computers. Sure that most of these things can be done with Firefox and extensions today. I find tagging of bookmarks to be a better way of keeping track of information, then the way we are storing bookmarks today.

It is, as far as I know, the first try of an implementation of the so called "Web 2.0" in to a browser - http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/oreilly/tim/news/2005/09/30/what-is-web-20.html

By kancept - Posted on October 22, 2005 - 04:02:30 (#18095)
Current version when comment was posted: 2005-10-02 trunk

all of those things in flock are also available as extensions for Firefox, and work fine. I never did quite understand "blogging integration" as I can load up my blog page just fine and use my browser with it. I do understand there are extensions, however, that let you select a page or part of it, right click, and "blog this".

Flock in and of itself, though, doesn't add anything above what we can do in FF already.

more feasable

By BeOS Mr X - Posted on October 21, 2005 - 23:37:05 (#18093)
Current version when comment was posted: 2005-10-02 trunk

Instead of focusing attention to other possible areas, more effort should be put on making FF more stable and up to par with the windows beta counterpart.

By vsucks - Posted on October 21, 2005 - 21:30:17 (#18092)
Current version when comment was posted: 2005-10-02 trunk

Okay, I've been thinking, and I wonder if it is feasible to port Flock to the BeOS?

Flock is open-source and Firefox-based. It would be easier to reuse patches and themes than if we ported another browser, such as Konqueror.

Here are some advantages:
Blog connectivity
Social bookmarks (del.icio.us)
Photo sharing

Unfortunately, Flock is also very big. It seems that many BeOS users are not as connected to the Flickr/del.icio.us/blogging phenomonon as teens and others.

Regardless, I believe that this could be a nice addition to web browsing on BeOS.

http://ian.wordpress.com/2005/10/21/flock-release/ (source)

By lichtgestalt - Posted on October 12, 2005 - 17:05:17 (#18022)
Current version when comment was posted: 2005-10-02 trunk

@s_d:
Indeed. It's the wacom_usb driver (in /boot/home/config/add-ons/input_server/devices) by Olaf van Es which was further developed by Frans Nispen.
Fortunately, there's an alternative: Sander Stok's Becasso also includes a tablet driver. I even lent him my Graphire tablet a few years back to hunt down some bugs. Later I switched to Olaf/Frans's driver for some reason I cannot remember anymore...
Anyway, although the Becasso driver is also only an input_server add-on, it does work with Firefox! Brilliant!
I dunno if you plan to persue that issue. I'll keep an eye on the Bezilla devlog and would be happy to test with the Olaf/Frans driver if necessary.
Thanks for your hints!

By tqh - Posted on October 11, 2005 - 21:02:12 (#18014)
Current version when comment was posted: 2005-10-02 trunk

I suspect it could be our new mouse-filtering in mousedown, maybe the tablet sends some weird messages.

Re:Wacom - lichtgestalt

By s_d - Posted on October 11, 2005 - 19:22:21 (#18012)
Current version when comment was posted: 2005-10-02 trunk

It is hard to say anything, as no tablet here.
But actually i'm recalling, that some of BeOS-compatible tablets didn't use real driver, but some tricky input-server add-on, created by Frans Nispen or some of other gfx-progrmmer.
In this case there are lot of issues with that, and Frans is aware about some of those.
Is it your case? Do you rememeber how you did puy it to work?

Re: Focus issue

By lichtgestalt - Posted on October 11, 2005 - 18:28:48 (#18010)
Current version when comment was posted: 2005-10-02 trunk

Ha!
It's the graphic tablet all right! I just led a successful expedition into the depths of my box discarded computer doo-dads and emerged with an old PS2 mouse. Et voilà, no more focus grabbing!
The graphic tablet is an old small Wacom, I forgot what model exactly...
It used to work with all the old firefoxers.
Does that give you a hint for solving the problem?

Re:Focus issues

By lichtgestalt - Posted on October 11, 2005 - 18:07:54 (#18009)
Current version when comment was posted: 2005-10-02 trunk

Sorry for the delay...
Meanwhile a new firefox 1.5b came out. Tried that. Still the same focus issue. Then installed seamonkey-1.1a.en-US.beos-netserver-i586.tar.gz. Same thing...

I wonder what's wrong. If this was a common problem, the talkback would be full of reports. So it _has_ to be my system, right?
I do use a graphic tablet, but that shouldn't really matter, should it?
Drat!

re Printing

By Ducky - Posted on October 7, 2005 - 19:52:50 (#17965)
Current version when comment was posted: 2005-10-02 trunk

Shows I've been paying attention

Thanks

By tqh - Posted on October 7, 2005 - 19:19:05 (#17964)
Current version when comment was posted: 2005-10-02 trunk

Printing has never been implemented on BeOS... yet.

By Ducky - Posted on October 7, 2005 - 15:41:43 (#17959)
Current version when comment was posted: 2005-10-02 trunk

Netserver build - Is printing broken ?

2 lightgestalt

By s_d - Posted on October 4, 2005 - 18:46:13 (#17937)
Current version when comment was posted: 2005-10-02 trunk

If you have enough bandwidth, please try "parallel" SeaMonkey build to see if exactly same focus issue is also there.
If it does - it is our port/core bug,
if not - something in current FF-specific JavaScript code went wrong in nightly source.
If we know that, it is easier to search for the real reason

Focus issues

By lichtgestalt - Posted on October 4, 2005 - 17:09:34 (#17936)
Current version when comment was posted: 2005-10-02 trunk

Thanks for working on a new Firefox for netserver. I currently use an over a year old version...
I tried the latest build and have serious issues with mouse focus: whatever I click first after startup keeps the focus. So, it's pretty much unusable here. Is that a known problem or is something fishy with my system?
Before installing the new version, I renamed the working firefox app and settings folder, so I should be starting with a completely blank system, right?

How do I make this the default browser?

By edmundf - Posted on October 3, 2005 - 14:11:43 (#17924)
Current version when comment was posted: 2005-10-02 trunk

How do I make this the default browser in zeta?

deserving of a cookie

By BeOS Mr X - Posted on October 1, 2005 - 20:05:41 (#17882)
Current version when comment was posted: 1.6a1+ - 20050908

I just have to say I was flabber-gasted that the most annoying bug was finally fixed, although it took a few years and many many new versions. The new seamonkey for BONE is an improvement with general quickness around your mailbox, and now I don't get lotsa cpu usage when I type, and when I send a message the window closes by itself.

Re:icon - Seamonkey logo and design competition

By s_d - Posted on September 30, 2005 - 23:35:03 (#17875)
Current version when comment was posted: 1.6a1+ - 20050908

http://dev.seamonkey.at/?d=g&i=136&m=v

icon for BeOS-Seamonkey

By -Meanwhile- - Posted on September 30, 2005 - 21:14:27 (#17874)
Current version when comment was posted: 1.6a1+ - 20050908

http://www.geocities.com/soupeduplibido/beosfiles/seamonkey.gif

Thanks great...

By kraton. - Posted on September 30, 2005 - 21:04:39 (#17873)
Current version when comment was posted: 1.6a1+ - 20050908

Wow, great work it seems the scroll bug is gone, hopefully forever.

Great here on Zeta with Seamonkey/Bone Version 1.1a

Cool

By matjako - Posted on September 30, 2005 - 08:36:20 (#17868)
Current version when comment was posted: 1.6a1+ - 20050908

Seamonkey for net_server works nicely on my R5.03, good job.

No more cumbersome scrolling!

By -Meanwhile- - Posted on September 30, 2005 - 05:52:00 (#17866)
Current version when comment was posted: 1.6a1+ - 20050908

Great job, thanks!

Re: net_server version please?

By Alexander G M Smith - Posted on September 30, 2005 - 04:09:52 (#17865)
Current version when comment was posted: 1.6a1+ - 20050908

Thanks for porting and posting Netserver SeaMonkey! I just downloaded it and tried it out - works nicely on my BeOS R5.0.3 system, automatically picking up my Mozilla settings and everything. Seems a bit faster on some really badly programmed corporate sites too.

- Alex



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