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| I vote for separation from Deskbar as well |
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By neiras - Posted on April 10, 2002 - 01:04:22 (#856)
Current version when comment was posted: RC3.1 (Release Candidate 3.1) |
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Hi linn, thanks again for an outstanding application.
It seems to me that Deskbar and Dockbert share an awful lot of functionality. I, for one, run Dockbert with Deskbar hidden. Why not just replace Deskbar completely? That way you get the notification messages you need, and you don't tie yourself to Deskbar at all.
There's not really any reason to have both a Deskbar and a Dock. Just add an Apps menu to the Dock and it's everything I need.
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| Dockbert |
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By linn - Posted on April 9, 2002 - 10:12:56 (#839)
Current version when comment was posted: RC3 (Release Candidate 3) |
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The whole issue of dockbert being or not included in Deskbar would give a huge conversation i guess. Yes, you can receive app lauching/quiting/etc events out of the Deskbar using a BRoster, but that alone is no reason for dockbert being independent of deskbar.. i guess that there are a lot of pros and cons.
> But what if you
stop development on this, and OpenDeskbar receives changes? What user will want to use an obsolete build
of the Deskbar just to get Dockbert?
The deskbar has somewhat of an internal modular structure so Dockbert is a another subscribed model inside the deskbar, only if the deskbar's source was changed to remove that modular interface would dockbert's sources not compile in it. But you can see that same problem with other Trackers like .NewFS, either the functionality is adopted or it will always live aside, its just the way things are.
From this point on, the only problem i see is that i might be changing some Deskbar internals to make it even more modular (e.g. in regard to add-ons, they are strictly tied to the BarWindow).. let's see what comes in the future.
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| are you sure ? |
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By mmu_man - Posted on April 9, 2002 - 08:05:08 (#836)
Current version when comment was posted: RC3 (Release Candidate 3) |
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file:///boot/optional/sample-code/application_kit/Watcher/
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| DockBert has to be a Deskbar |
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By HarvestMoon - Posted on April 9, 2002 - 06:58:40 (#834)
Current version when comment was posted: RC3 (Release Candidate 3) |
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because otherwise, it won't be notificated with application-events/uptates.
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| On the Corner.. |
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By Scald Master - Posted on April 9, 2002 - 04:47:49 (#833)
Current version when comment was posted: RC3 (Release Candidate 3) |
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Will be very cool, if we can put dockbert ath the corner of the screen (like deskbar), but with a `rounded' style..
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| Why? |
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By natenate - Posted on April 9, 2002 - 04:38:37 (#832)
Current version when comment was posted: RC3 (Release Candidate 3) |
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Why did you decide to link Dockbert so intimately with the Deskbar? My thinking is that it'd have been better to have this be a stand-alone application.
As it is, you'll have to keep up with the OpenTracker mainline (admittedly, that won't be hard). But what if you stop development on this, and OpenDeskbar receives changes? What user will want to use an obsolete build of the Deskbar just to get Dockbert?
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| well |
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By linn - Posted on April 9, 2002 - 01:33:12 (#829)
Current version when comment was posted: RC3 (Release Candidate 3) |
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i think it's fair for you not likeing it.. but could you send me an e-mail telling what you don't like? that could help us.
linn (hugo@black-karma.de)
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| I don't need it |
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By Christian Celona - Posted on April 9, 2002 - 01:18:43 (#828)
Current version when comment was posted: RC3 (Release Candidate 3) |
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and I dont like it, but I think that is good for update Deskbar in top-right of screen with this enhancement.
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| Dockbert OWNS! |
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By SwitchBlade - Posted on April 9, 2002 - 01:00:21 (#827)
Current version when comment was posted: RC3 (Release Candidate 3) |
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This program owns supremely I've been using it since it's first released incarnation back in February and I hate to use BeOS without it. I can't wait till it's finally finished/polished off.
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| That would explain it |
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By vivid - Posted on April 9, 2002 - 00:13:39 (#826)
Current version when comment was posted: RC3 (Release Candidate 3) |
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Ok, ok. Well, maybe I'll switch so I can check out Dockbert. But the reason I'm running LocaleTracker is that it has NewFS. Oh well...
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| dockbert <- OT needed |
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By linn - Posted on April 8, 2002 - 23:55:06 (#825)
Current version when comment was posted: RC3 (Release Candidate 3) |
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sorry, a small info was forgotten, you must have the latest OpenTracker for Dockbert to work.
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| Not working for me... |
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By vivid - Posted on April 8, 2002 - 23:52:02 (#824)
Current version when comment was posted: RC3 (Release Candidate 3) |
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I'm running 5.0.3 with the latest LocaleTracker.
When I try to launch Dockbert, nothing happens. When I run it from terminal, I get the message:
./Deskbar: Symbol not found
I can't think of anything unusual with my system that would cause this. Thanks for what looks like it's going to be a pretty interesting app. :)
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| Window Shapes in 5.1d0 |
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By linn - Posted on April 8, 2002 - 16:12:17 (#820)
Current version when comment was posted: RC2 (Release Candidate 2) |
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5.1d0 supports window shaping, meaning i can shape a window to any other form that i want, it doesnt need to be a rectangle. dockbert uses this (if the user wants) to shape itself to show only the tabs and not its background.
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| you can have two deskbars running, but DONT!!!! |
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By HarvestMoon - Posted on April 8, 2002 - 08:35:53 (#817)
Current version when comment was posted: RC2 (Release Candidate 2) |
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two deskbars running at the same time can have unpredictable effects on your system.
from a simple no-effetc up to kernel debugger land.
most commen problem is, that only ONE of the two deskbars (in general the first started) is "updated", meaning the other one isn't notified whenever an application is started/closed/whatever.
so JUST CLOSE the standard deskbar before starting dockbert (and i don't mean killing it, use ProcessController -> QuitAnApplication).
DockBert is always built around latest opentracker, so no functionallity is lost.
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| You can run two deskbars |
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By skiversoul - Posted on April 8, 2002 - 06:21:15 (#814)
Current version when comment was posted: RC2 (Release Candidate 2) |
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>NOTE: YOU MUST QUIT YOUR RUNNING DESKBAR BEFORE RUNNING >A NEW ONE, AND DOCKBERT IS A DESKBAR, SO, IT ALSO APLIES
Not true. You can have two Deskbars running.
Also, what do you mean by window shaping (with respect to 5.1d0?)
Thanks for the work.
Skiver
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| This is just what the BeOS desktop needs! |
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By cineasm - Posted on April 8, 2002 - 02:40:59 (#811)
Current version when comment was posted: RC2 (Release Candidate 2) |
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I have always hated the deskbar (even if some people actualy likes it) since it was an ugly combination of the M$ Windows start menu and the Mac menu-bar.
But Dockbert change everything, making my BeOS desktop a nicer neighbourhood to work and live in!
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| Great, Wonderfull, Fantastic.. |
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By looncraz - Posted on April 8, 2002 - 02:33:53 (#810)
Current version when comment was posted: RC2 (Release Candidate 2) |
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I have been using it for a very long time... getting better and better, good job linn!
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