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Re: radeon9600 (mobility)

By topical - Posted on July 20, 2004 - 17:17:15 (#13455)
Current version when comment was posted: 4.1.0.1

I noticed that the Radeon 9600 Mobility with the PCI ID 4e50 seems to have the wrong chip type assigned to it: it's defined to be a rv350, i.e. it's handled as a desktop version (can't remember when I added it to the list). In general, there is no way for the driver to detect laptop flat panels, so it uses the simple rule "iff mobility chip then there is a laptop panel". As this version of the Radeon 9600 Mobility is defined to be a non-mobility chip, it ignores the laptop panel which is a bad idea. I'll define the 4e50 to be an M10, which should solve the laptop panel problem (but this doesn't solve the trouble with 4150 :(

To make sure I don't break support of existing cards:

Is there anyone having a Radeon 9600 _non_-Mobility with PCI ID 4e50?

By manatwady - Posted on July 20, 2004 - 17:17:10 (#13454)
Current version when comment was posted: 4.1.0.1

Ok. Sorry probalby my lacking english knowledge is to blame for not completely writing it correctly down, what the guy told me. He actually said, that they are working together with thomas and rudolf. But they got something like an internal BUILD, at least this is what i understood.
One more question, 'cause the agp driver didn´t work:
Would it be better for BeOS/Zeta to use a 9600PRO instead of the plain 9600?
I could still change the card into the more expensive one if i wanted....nice ppl here at the computer store

THX

Re: radeon9600

By emwe - Posted on July 20, 2004 - 16:46:18 (#13453)
Current version when comment was posted: 4.1.0.1

>>The Support-Agent told me, they'd send me a driver they have been working on, which might help me...<<
You must have understood the guy wrong. They are not working on a driver. They are using the drivers provided by rudolf and thomas. Which both to a great work.

But I can assure, that there are the same problems as you described for many 9600 users, though the card ID is in the driver. Blue screen, and box freezes with a cvs driver from about 3 days ago.

e.g. Radeon 9600 128MB Mobility ( 0x4e50 ) which seems to obviously differ from the "normal" ones with "0x4150" 9600's.

The last idea I'd have is to use the agp bus_manager driver, to get it working. But that's just a guess.

Michael

By manatwady - Posted on July 20, 2004 - 15:59:01 (#13452)
Current version when comment was posted: 4.1.0.1

Hello again,
what I read, I thought that it would work, too.
If I didn´t select the fail-safe Option, the screen would stop after the icon-set (last one userland) with a blue screen which looks like the default bgcolor of zeta. But no mouse pointer, nor the Zeta-Menu-Bar. The only way to get out was the RESET-Button.
Even if I selected the std. VESA Modes, it ended up like that, what i described before. The only way to use Zeta was the FAIL-SAFE Option.

The Zeta-Support called me up today.
I edited with the help of them the vesa file; so now i am using the vesa 1024x768 Mode.

The Support-Agent told me, they'd send me a driver they have been working on, which might help me...

Is it possible, that I need to install a agp - driver or the fake-driver i read about before on a common x86 PC? Or are these already included in ZETA? MB that could be my prob. (Havent installed these yet)

Thanks for your replies

Stefan

Re: ati fire gl

By topical - Posted on July 20, 2004 - 15:02:11 (#13449)
Current version when comment was posted: 4.1.0.1

Sorry that this card still doesn't work. I don't really know the difference to other cards (in terms of programming), and that makes searching for the problem quite hard. Have you tried the card under linux?

Re: AGP module

By topical - Posted on July 20, 2004 - 14:56:32 (#13447)
Current version when comment was posted: 4.1.0.1

Hi rudolf!

Seems that your bus_manager paves the way to fix the long lasting IGP trouble. It seems that some settings are too agressive (I reckon FW makes the trouble, though I'm not quite sure). So, the next step is to find out which one of the initialization steps fixes IGP support.

Hi IGP users!

Actually, I added IGP support half a year ago, but obviously some nasty AGP setting keeps making trouble. So, if you get it the driver running using the AGP bus_manager, please tell me which settings of the AGP manager work in your case and which not, so I can find the setting that must be enabled and which should not.

Re: radeon9600

By topical - Posted on July 20, 2004 - 14:49:11 (#13446)
Current version when comment was posted: 4.1.0.1

Hm - this card is in the list and should work. What actually happens?

AGP module tuning hints

By rudolfc - Posted on July 20, 2004 - 13:18:38 (#13443)
Current version when comment was posted: 4.1.0.1

Hi,

Well, I might as well post it here directly :)

->Everyone BUT nVidia graphicscard users NEED to install the fakedriver. Untill their official drivers directly program the bus via the busmanager that is.. Keep an eye out for possible updates for that on your graphicsdriver's webpage.

->If you enable syslog output, the fakedriver and busmanager log a bit of stuff in there. You can at least see if both are working: agp-man is the busmanager talking, agp-drv is the fake driver.

Here's a snippet from my syslog over here:

KERN 'app_server'[25]: agp_drv: enabling AGP
KERN 'app_server'[25]: agp_man: enable_agp called
KERN 'app_server'[25]: agp_drv: AGP cmd readback: $1f000302.

This value tells me what mode has been set BTW:
if bit set:
b3 clear:
b0 - agp pre V3 1x mode
b1 - agp pre V3 2x mode
b2 - agp pre V3 4x mode

b3 set:
b0 - agp V3 4x mode
b1 - agp V3 8x mode

general:
b4 - FW enabled(!)
b8 - AGP transfers enabled
b9 - SBA enabled.

The rest is less interesting ;-)

=======

If you have trouble: tweak the agp.settings file to get it working!
You should AT LEAST be able to fallback to PCI mode (block_agp true).

If that doesn't work your graphicsdriver is likely messing up stuff... (it may NEVER touch AGP command register directly, only via the busmanager (doing both the host bridge AND graphicscard in THIS specific order.

----------

Your preferred fallbacks if automatic (default) does not work for you:
->block SBA; still trouble:
->try max speed AGP 4x, trouble:
->try max speed AGP 2x, trouble:
->try AGP1x, trouble:
->use PCI mode.

Another technical note:
->AGP FW ALSO works if AGP transfers are NOT enabled: as long as the speed scheme is setup correctly. Otherwise enabled FW WILL hang your system!

As this 'option' (FW only) is not crystal clear from the AGP specs I block this in the busmanager code. This info is just interesting for driver writers.

=======

OK, even more info:

->Your system BIOS might control if your motherboard tells the AGP busmanager it supports certain features.

Make SURE you check it out for AGP FW (fastwrites) set to enabled, and the highest possible max. AGP speed!
(SBA might be in there as well.)

Note: this is CONFIRMED info.

---

Well, happy tweaking! Keep me posted please, I need the feedback to ascertain what options are reasonalbe failsafe to have enabled by default on a next version of the busmanager... ;-)

Best regards,

Rudolf.

crashing while past icons screen..

By rudolfc - Posted on July 20, 2004 - 13:16:14 (#13442)
Current version when comment was posted: 4.1.0.1

Hi! (Hi Thomas, I'll mail you :)

If your system still crashes it's likely the AGP mode set is not working OK on your system. Try tweaking the agp.settings file for a lower mode (see talkback there for hints).

Indeed you need both the busmanager module AND the fake graphicsdriver to set your mode...

Please talkback if tuning the agp.settings file helps to get things working! (fallback to PCI mode (block_agp) if nessesary ;-)

Bye!

Rudolf.

Fake agp.driver is requirement!

By SD - Posted on July 20, 2004 - 13:07:05 (#13439)
Current version when comment was posted: 4.1.0.1

For end-users.
I experimented a bit.
Without agp.driver in drivers/bin linked to drivers/dev/graphics
IGP still starts in old non-working mode.
So it is fakedriver setting proper AGP bus conditions
and allowing Radeon driver to work properly together with card.

re: experiments

By llama - Posted on July 20, 2004 - 04:43:12 (#13423)
Current version when comment was posted: 4.1.0.1

Hi SD,
I tried editing the agp.settings file one function at a time and it makes no difference (changing block_agp to true results in the original style crash, lots of garbled colours etc)

I also tried assigning different irqs to everything in bios, but the same result :-(

I don't have a setting in bios to disable display extensions (must be different models of R40e?). I've set up my ~config/settings/kernel/drivers/kernel like yours but it doesn't seem to save the syslog before it crashes so I'm not sure what is going wrong. I'm using dano (phos), could this be a problem? Thanks for your help!

Cheers,
llama

Re3: llama and dudenz - time for experiments!

By SD - Posted on July 20, 2004 - 03:41:36 (#13417)
Current version when comment was posted: 4.1.0.1

Now use Rudolf's agp config file in your home/config/settings/kernel/driver folder.
Try to disable features changing one by one true to false there. (booting in VESA mode via Safe mode option in case of crash)
See if it still crashes.
Last option is to remove fakedriver, which adds speed, but i'm unsure if it is required for initialisation.
Report results

By SD - Posted on July 20, 2004 - 03:36:17 (#13416)
Current version when comment was posted: 4.1.0.1

If you reached blue screen and removed VESA support for that time - it is very good sign.
I think in this case enabled syslog may help Thomas and you in recognizing crash reason

By SD - Posted on July 20, 2004 - 03:33:32 (#13415)
Current version when comment was posted: 4.1.0.1

BeOS MAX 3 here + Bone7a + USB.patches + ALI5451 audio + USB storage module.
Parallel and Debug port disabled in BIOS at moment, display extensions in BIOS also disabled.
All devices have separate IRQ's, all extra drivers (for all devices non-existing in that laptop) removed from both system/add-ons folder and home/config/add-ons folder. File home/config/settings/kernel/drivers/kernel edited in order to remove apm mess added by MAX.
hlt enabled
in same file.
syslog also enabled in that file.

By llama - Posted on July 20, 2004 - 03:18:32 (#13414)
Current version when comment was posted: 4.1.0.1

I'm having the same trouble as dudenz. I installed the AGP busmanager and the fake driver as SD suggested but it crashes just after the blue desktop background is loaded, before the tracker etc is loaded. At least it is getting past the boot icons (where it used to crash). Strange thing is I've got the same laptop as SD (Thinkpad R40e). What version of BeOS are you running SD?

Cheers
llama

ati fire gl and agp manager

By dudenz - Posted on July 20, 2004 - 02:17:39 (#13413)
Current version when comment was posted: 4.1.0.1

hi.
I tried the AGP busmanager and the fakedriver as well. my system now doesn't scramble the screen anymore, but instead it freazes after the last icon of the bootscreen. so there is - like before - no syslog i could send to you unfortunately.
I'm using the ATI Mobility FireGL T2.
thanks for your efforts.
dudenz

radeon9600 pci id

By manatwady - Posted on July 19, 2004 - 21:21:13 (#13403)
Current version when comment was posted: 4.1.0.1

Ok, I hope this is the right info :-|

Card Name: <Unknown>
Device Name: VGA
Logical Device Name: <Unknown>
Bus Type: PCI device
Device Type: Display Controller (VGA)
Base: 3 Subtype: 0 Interface: 0
Vendor: ATI Technologies (0x1002)
Card ID: 4150
Current State: Enabled
Resource Conflicts: None

IRQ is at 5 (though my computer reseller told me that the agp port should always be set at 17 by BIOS (can`t change this tho' -> cheap motherboard

IO Port Ranges:
0xd000 - 0xd0ff
Memory Ranges :
0x305x1000 - 0x405c0fff (this seems selected/marked)
0x405c1000 - 0x405d0fff

No Resource Conflicts

I hope the Information needed can be found in the above.... dunno.

Thank you for helping me

Stefan

By topical - Posted on July 19, 2004 - 20:18:49 (#13399)
Current version when comment was posted: 4.1.0.1

There is a program called "Devices" under Preferences (or Tools, have no BeOS at hand). This tells you the PCI IDs of all devices. Just look for those made by ATI and tell me them.

By topical - Posted on July 19, 2004 - 20:08:52 (#13398)
Current version when comment was posted: 4.1.0.1

I just sent you an email. Hopefully it will arrive ;)

Thank you for the AGP hint!!!!!

By manatwady - Posted on July 19, 2004 - 20:03:54 (#13397)
Current version when comment was posted: 4.1.0.1

Hello,
thanks for the really very quick replies.
I actually don´t know how to find the pci id...whether in linux nor winxp. :-( not my day it seems. Though i read it in a forum how to get the ID - I can´t remember which forum...surfed so many today.
Can you help me finding pci ID?
somewhere in /proc/pci?
I could post the output of the hardware-scan in SuSEs hardware Info YaST2 programm. But that would be a huge post

Thanks

Stefan

SURPRISE!!!! Get Rudolf's AGP for IGP!!! And it works here!

By SD - Posted on July 19, 2004 - 19:13:01 (#13393)
Current version when comment was posted: 4.1.0.1

1) For Thomas
What i noticed (it isn't in linux sources in your driver
doc subfolder, but in linux kernel code) - linux driver initializes agp and for IGP it does that in specifical way. I may resend that linux kernel diff to you

2) Now for all - i installed Rudolf Cornelissen AGP bus manager + fake AGP drivers - and imagine! Got Thomas driver working properly with IGP 340!!!
Without any need to boot into Win98 first

radeon_dump

By SD - Posted on July 19, 2004 - 17:38:35 (#13392)
Current version when comment was posted: 4.1.0.1

Thomas, i still didn't get new radeondump utility.
(that in your attachment was from July, 2.)
Is there something wrong with e-mail?
If you, yoy may load it with anonymous to ftp://beos.spb.ru/incoming

Re: Radeon 9600 doesn´t work

By topical - Posted on July 19, 2004 - 17:33:05 (#13391)
Current version when comment was posted: 4.1.0.1

Hi,

what exactly happens? Could you please tell me the PCI ID of your card?

Thomas

Radeon 9600 doesn´t work in ZETA

By manatwady - Posted on July 19, 2004 - 16:11:25 (#13390)
Current version when comment was posted: 4.1.0.1

Hello,
I can´t get the driver to work in zeta with my sapphire radeon 9600, that I bought today to make Zeta become colorful :-(
Can you maybe help me? I read that Euan made a recompiled version of this driver to work with s.o. elses 9600 Card. ight that work for me too?

Thanx for any help

Stefan

IGP 320 Works great! when rebooting from Win98

By Randall - Posted on July 7, 2004 - 03:34:24 (#13232)
Current version when comment was posted: 4.1.0.1

I have been booting my BeOS Pro partition from the windows 98 dos prompt using loadbeos.com and Thomas's ultra cool Radeon driver since about december . Dual monitor work fine and Be's graphics are very quick and responsive. I can even watch my DVD's now! I sent Thomas register info from a program he sent me while booting be from win98 and my be partition. Hopefully this information is helpful to him I really need to get window off of this laptop and rebooting BeOS from windows is such a pain. I just wanted to confirm That the Radeon IGP 320 Chip set really dose work when rebooting from win98. Keep up the good work Thomas.
Randall

By topical - Posted on July 5, 2004 - 19:26:21 (#13217)
Current version when comment was posted: 4.1.0.1

Of course are always free to contact me via email (see "contact publisher" for address).

Any help with IGP is appreciated. I think that especially the Win98 trick may lead to a successful fix.

As long as you haven't an unsupported tuner, the TV-tuner thing should be relatively easy to implement (mainly, a frequency list of channels is needed, but I may take it too easy).

In terms of VESA: it's certainly better to have full IGP support than an application hack ;)

Re:Mobility

By atomozero - Posted on July 5, 2004 - 18:32:56 (#13216)
Current version when comment was posted: 4.1.0.1

With yours driver I see white and black like if the system shipment did not use driver :(

Tomorrow I send the syslog

By s_d - Posted on July 5, 2004 - 15:40:59 (#13215)
Current version when comment was posted: 4.1.0.1

Hello, Thomas. Thanks for response. I think we need better way to communicate than this talkback. As i have intention to dig not only IGP code, but TV-tuner part a bit (a did it 2 years ago or more when got original code grom Carlos, but then dropped it).

Though, it was some benefit for community from that sad fact that IGP don't work for me yet - it forced me to create special Mozilla version for this case.

(It appeared that CopyBits operation is VERY ineffective when card is working in VESA mode, plain reflow invloving gecko engine and backbuffered drawing works better in this case:)

Re: mobility problems, IGP, RadeonScreen...

By topical - Posted on July 5, 2004 - 15:11:54 (#13214)
Current version when comment was posted: 4.1.0.1

First, I want to thank for all the positive reply I received. This really encourages.

Next, to the problems ;)

atomozero: do these things happen with or without the Radeon driver? As usual, please send me your syslog to see what happens when the driver is installed.

s_d: unfortunately, the effect is known for IGP. The simple reason is that the graphics chip doesn't execute commands sent to it. One guy wrote that the driver works if BeOS is started from Win98, which means that Win98 must have performed some additional setup that is not done by my driver. The troublemaker can even be some other part of the chipset (like the AGP controller, PCI host bridge whatsoever), but I simply have no clue. Further, I once had access to a laptop with IGP to test my driver, but unfortunately the system crashed instantly when syslog was enabled, so without any feedback debugging was impossible. So, if you have Win98 on your system, please boot Win98 and load BeOS (via loadbeos.com) from there. If it works, please send me the register dumps generated by the tool I mentioned on TalkBack under "Problems with laptops and new drivers".

RadeonScreen

By Remy - Posted on July 5, 2004 - 10:42:56 (#13211)
Current version when comment was posted: 4.1.0.1

The Radeonscreen preflet now works perfectly and I can see Video In tab in the media preferences. Great !!!

Mobility problem

By atomozero - Posted on July 4, 2004 - 11:56:51 (#13203)
Current version when comment was posted: 4.1.0.1

Hi,

i have MobilityDriver installed, but unfortunally the driver doesen't work fine for me ... after the boot

on my screen view the color
but the resolution is strange
i view only a part of screen :(
and if set vesa file the system after
reboot not use the file

if I install Ati Radeon Graphics Driver the system does not see the driver

"Hardware" shows under VGA:

Vendor: ATI Technologies (0x1002)
Card UD: 4c49

thx Andrea

By cooperlab - Posted on July 4, 2004 - 10:35:00 (#13202)
Current version when comment was posted: 4.1.0.1

your driver works on hercules 3d phrophet 7500 and tyan 9500 pro card ,too.. big thanx for it!

"screenshot"

By s_d - Posted on July 3, 2004 - 02:13:06 (#13195)
Current version when comment was posted: 4.1.0.1

As it is impossible to take screenshot by PrtScr for IGP series, did it with camera.
http://www.beos.spb.ru/fyysik/IGP340Screen.png
Quality of shot isn't so good, but it allows some imaginations about situation.

I'm ready to tweak, compile and test - if you provide me with clues:) dolgov AT ut DOT ee

Re: Overwrote preferences

By topical - Posted on July 2, 2004 - 21:28:53 (#13190)
Current version when comment was posted: 4.1.0.1

Just officially installed the driver to verify that, but my Preferences folder still exists. So: what BeOS version are you using? Was there a previous Radeon driver (and which version) installed, if any? Did it happen during install or uninstall?

No more preferences

By ryanknapper - Posted on July 2, 2004 - 20:02:07 (#13187)
Current version when comment was posted: 4.1.0.1

Gah! It overwrote my Preferences folder. No more Workspaces...

Working great on my Thinkpad A30 (Mobility Radeon)

By Tek_No - Posted on July 2, 2004 - 17:20:04 (#13185)
Current version when comment was posted: 4.1.0.1

Just to let you know :)

Thx for supporting us!

Tek_No

Problems with laptops and new drivers

By topical - Posted on July 2, 2004 - 15:48:39 (#13183)
Current version when comment was posted: 4.1.0.1

Some laptops have problems with v3.x and up, but work correctly with older versions.

For this, I've wrote a little program that stores all registers of the graphics card and saves them in a file. You need to copy the files and links to the indicated location and execute the script, which generates a file called "radeon_dump".

So, if you have trouble with newer versions, please install the old driver, call the radeon_dump program and save "raedon_dump" and then do the same with the new driver, so I can see the difference.

The program can be downloaded from ftp: http://www.minet.uni-jena.de/~sveng/radeon_dump.zip

Thank you

saphire atlantis radeon 9600 doesn't work :(

By topical - Posted on July 2, 2004 - 14:35:00 (#13181)
Current version when comment was posted: 4.1.0.1

Could you please send me your syslog?

Xfree and IGP

By s_d - Posted on July 1, 2004 - 22:31:55 (#13169)
Current version when comment was posted: 4.1

It seems X handles rs100 and rs200 with some hacks
http://vayne.fdns.net/files/radeonpatch.diff
like forcing PLL
currently in BeOS sources only real hack seems to be only for R300

saphire atlantis radeon 9600 doesn't work :(

By chri-st - Posted on June 29, 2004 - 18:32:14 (#13126)
Current version when comment was posted: 4.1

Hi,

i have zeta rc3 installed, but unfortunally your driver doesen't work for me ... after the boot icons i always get stuck in a blue screen (desktop background?) without icons, deskbar or mouse ...

"Hardware" shows under VGA:

Vendor: ATI Technologies (0x1002)
Card UD: 4150

any ideas? i'd love to get away from VESA ...

greets chri-st



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