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By Jess - Posted on November 23, 2002 - 06:33:33 (#4316)
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So I finnaly scored this since it will run on my cpu now have some feed back to toss out. I'm sure most of this will or is being addressed but havent seen anyone mention it so far. I have to say I like what I see. Other then the fonts being obscenely small in the app it looks good & is quicker. It has the important features to me & uses plug ins allready. This is one of the things to note. When going to a flash page it pretty much well dies. It becomes incredibly slow & laggy trying to keep up. Also will it have the ability to play embeded media? Not even mozilla will do this for me & is a much more mature project then this so that is why I'm asking. Flash seems to be the only thing that the browsers see as a plug in. When a webpage has midi - wav - mp3 - rm - mpeg or any other format of media in it your hosed cuz none of our browsers will deal with that. ( Well opera might but who uses that 8^} ) I tried early on manking links to all my media players in the plug in folders but again only flash is seen & used. I hope this matures cuz it's a nice start. Now if only we could get the godliness of Net+ speed with the full capabilities of IE (Not saying IE is good just that M$ controlls most of the crap on the web thus IE is the only browser that deals with it very well)
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By ©haOS - Posted on November 23, 2002 - 04:47:09 (#4313)
Current version when comment was posted: 0.4 R2 |
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The d/l mirror (chaosdna.com) has been so busy lately that I cannot log on locally.... Be patient, stay tuned, I will add more uuumph soon.... For now, just keep trying.
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| Re: Great slick Mozilla-cousin finally on BeOS! |
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By Rene Gollent - Posted on November 22, 2002 - 16:08:54 (#4300)
Current version when comment was posted: 0.4 |
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Actually, the patches that Daniel and Mathias did mostly had to do with hordes of unnecessary bitmap copies from what I remember...I don't believe they touched the locking too heavily.
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| Looks gooD!! |
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By SurGreen - Posted on November 22, 2002 - 13:19:50 (#4295)
Current version when comment was posted: 0.4 |
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"The browser is what the contemporary desktop user will base their impressions of an OS uopon." --- IMHO
........ but BeZilla is working fine here.
While I appreciate this fully functional 'sample' I look forward more to an "official"* release. While Phoenix functioned fine for me, any improvements were not sufficient to fudge sround with a working browser that I had in BeZilla.
TRULY appreciate your efforts people!! :)
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| Great slick Mozilla-cousin finally on BeOS! |
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By Hugh - Posted on November 22, 2002 - 12:42:48 (#4294)
Current version when comment was posted: 0.4 |
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Thanks a lot for doing this, both Paul and Eliotro!
If I'd be sarcastic, I'd say "now we finally have a browser that features all the Mozilla-bugs with less resource-usage" ;-))
Seriously though, this is a huge step in the right direction (Phoenix in general IMO), and I hope we get more native in the future (again), so back to BeOS-widgets.
Daniel S. did some patches to avoid over-locking of the views, maybe he could support the quest to clean up the remaining redundant locks?
brg,
Hugh
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By Lt_Henry - Posted on November 22, 2002 - 11:36:27 (#4293)
Current version when comment was posted: 0.4 |
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The only i can say, bezilla crashed on my computer very often (the last version even more). Phoenix seems to run better, faster loading (almost 3 times more than bezilla), and faster rendering.
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| couple of comments ... |
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By arougthopher - Posted on November 22, 2002 - 06:39:17 (#4290)
Current version when comment was posted: 0.4 |
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Debug build? - phoenix is completely XUL based. there is a LOT of memory bloat in XUL. this will get better over time
Correct, Phoenix is not patches to mozilla. It is "contained" within the same source tree, uses the same rendering engine, and everything else.
Bug Report:
1- hmmm, didn't see that when I built Phoenix a while back
2- this is a know issue, and a patch is being worked on by Sergei
3- because they are the same as bezilla :) there are some bugs being fixed for copy/paste as week speak
4- have not seen, nor did I when I build phoenix
hmm, the changes to get Phoenix to build under BeOS have been checked into CVS, you should not have had to modify anything
all widgets, but scrollbars a drawn by gecko itself. the slowness comes from over-locking the view. i have some ideas on how to fix this, and will hopefully do sonething about it some day :)
Net++ would "probably" be based on the gecko engine too, which, would result in similar issues.
Elliotro - if you have any questions about mozilla's code, let me know.
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| Suckatude! |
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By Jess - Posted on November 21, 2002 - 22:37:04 (#4282)
Current version when comment was posted: 0.4 |
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k6-2 R0xx0R for budget but there have been alot of apps that are bias.
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| Requires 686+! |
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By macsnafu - Posted on November 21, 2002 - 20:22:02 (#4279)
Current version when comment was posted: 0.4 |
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Oh, boo! I only have an AMD K6 (200 Mhz). :-(
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| Requires 686+! |
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By tb100 - Posted on November 21, 2002 - 20:05:21 (#4278)
Current version when comment was posted: 0.4 |
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Just to let people know, this version has been compiled to run on 686 only.
I've just wasted an hour downloading this to find it doesn't run - invalid opcode. I've got unmetered internet access, so I'm not all that annoyed, but knowing this would still have saved me the bother.
I've got a K6/2, which doen't support all of the instructions the 686 does. Basically this means you need a pentium pro, pentium II/III/IIII or an athlon to run this version. Normal pentiums (I guess there are still some around), K6/2s and AFAIK K6/3s will not run this.
I'm going to wait for Paul's release - I think he's making good progress on drag and drop (for toolbar customisation) and I know it will work on my machine.
No offense to whoever compiled it - I can't comment on the prog as I couldn't run it - but a note on the page saying "686 only" would be good.
Simon
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| Hey hey hey! |
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By Elliot Rosenberger - Posted on November 21, 2002 - 19:25:26 (#4277)
Current version when comment was posted: 0.4 |
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DaaT: I've been thinking about contacting him and perhaps teaming up. The "port" wasn't really that hard... I just had to get rid of about 4 lines of code and it compiled. Like I said, I'm going to be posting the source code differences (that crazy MPL) as well as a new binary with outline resizing (it -fells- faster that way ;) ).
But yeah, I'll contact him. =P I don't know if he patched some stuff up in the latest Moz source to get it to compile or if it already worked, but either way BeZilla needs more developers (as if I'm even a developer, pff =P), so it can't do too much harm to contact him. :)
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| mirror site |
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By sikosis - Posted on November 21, 2002 - 12:31:50 (#4275)
Current version when comment was posted: 0.4 |
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http://gravity24hr.com/mirror/phoenix/phoenix-web.zip
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| Co-op |
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By DaaT - Posted on November 21, 2002 - 10:25:53 (#4273)
Current version when comment was posted: 0.4 |
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Hey Elliotro. Been using it in windows for some time, glad to see it arrive to BeOS. I have a question, have you contacted or tried to contact Paul from Bezilla.org, or has he contacted you, to join efforts? IMHO, that would be a good idea.
Good job, take care.
DaaT
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| Phoenix Mirror |
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By impaled - Posted on November 21, 2002 - 09:15:31 (#4272)
Current version when comment was posted: 0.4 |
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Uploaded it onto Tripod...
http://beosimp.tripod.com/download/phoenix-web.zip
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| ya Mozilla runs fine... kinda |
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By Jess - Posted on November 21, 2002 - 08:59:28 (#4271)
Current version when comment was posted: 0.4 |
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Yes Mozilla runs fine on my machine if you look past the fact it's ungodly slow - prone to crash & flakey with things disscussed in previous posts about some times you can paste & edit text fields some times you cant. I wish we could give up on these non-native applications that carry over so much bloat, lack of optimisation, & flat out suck-A-tude. Wish I'd hear something from the Net++ team.
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By Elliot Rosenberger - Posted on November 21, 2002 - 08:25:27 (#4270)
Current version when comment was posted: 0.4 |
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Jess: Well, in order to compile Phoenix, I downloaded the latest mozilla source (http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla/nightly/latest/mozilla-source.tar.bz2), got mozilla/browser and mozilla/toolkit off Mozilla's CVS, added "mc_add_options MOZ_PHOENIX=1" to my .mozconfig, commented out some stuff in the source, and compiled. I remember that when I ran an early Phoenix build in Windows, it still had a Mozilla splash screen and everything.
Very odd how it doesn't run though... does Mozilla run on your machine? :\
Eugenia: Yeah, the text select really irritates me... A lot of Mozilla confuses me, because I found a BeOS build of Mozilla Milestone 8, and while scrolling was absolute crap, it used native Be menus, native Be scrollbars, and even a few native Be checkboxes in the preferences. Resizing was really, really fast (compared to current Moz, anyways) too. I'm going to much around the source code a bit later and do a few clean ups. I'm not much of a coder, but I'm trying as much as I can ;). I want to try to get some native BeOS widgets back (I understand why they got XP menus and whatnot into BeZilla, but really, it's more a step back than anything...) and release a new version, but I don't know how manageable that is. Either way, I built Phoenix with outlined border resizing, and resizing "feels" a lot better. I honestly think that until we get speed better in Moz, outline resizing should be on by default.
OK, that's gettinga bit off topic. :)
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| Bug report |
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By Eugenia - Posted on November 21, 2002 - 07:29:15 (#4269)
Current version when comment was posted: 0.4 |
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1. After the initial changing of some preferences (adding a new home page, changing the animated images to "once"etc), the preferences were saved, but their window did not go away. I had to kill Phoenix.
2. I can launch all the bookmarks, except the imported ones from NetPositive. These, just don't load any page.
3. The text fields are buggy, as in BeZilla. :(
I don't understand why these are not fixed yet in CVS. Sometimes you can copy and paste, other times you can't. Sometimes you can edit the URL bar or a text field, sometimes you can't...
4. There is a repaint problem sometimes, I had to take the window off screen and bring it back in before I could see some graphics and buttons not rendering...
Other than that, except the fact that the UI is slow, it works ok.
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| nope & no run |
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By Jess - Posted on November 21, 2002 - 07:17:17 (#4268)
Current version when comment was posted: 0.4 |
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Phoenix isnt patches to Mozilla - its a light web browser based on the same engine. Either way can get mine to run. I ran the launch script with debugging enabled & this is what I got:
$ /boot/apps/Phoenix/phoenix
+ moz_libdir=/usr/local/lib/mozilla-1.3a
+ MRE_HOME=/usr/local/lib/mre/mre-1.3a
+ '[' -n '' ']'
+ found=0
+ progname=/boot/apps/Phoenix/phoenix
++ dirname /boot/apps/Phoenix/phoenix
+ curdir=/boot/apps/Phoenix
+ run_moz=/boot/apps/Phoenix/run-mozilla.sh
+ test -x /boot/apps/Phoenix/run-mozilla.sh
+ dist_bin=/boot/apps/Phoenix
+ found=1
+ '[' 1 = 0 ']'
+ script_args=
+ moreargs=
+ debugging=0
+ MOZILLA_BIN=phoenix-bin
+ '[' beos = beos ']'
+ mimeset -F phoenix-bin
+ '[' 0 -gt 0 ']'
+ export MRE_HOME
+ eval 'set -- '
++ set --
+ '[' 0 = 1 ']'
+ exec /boot/apps/Phoenix/run-mozilla.sh /boot/apps/Phoenix/phoenix-bin
Kill Thread
$>echo "Party on Wayne"
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| Actually... |
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By Elliot Rosenberger - Posted on November 21, 2002 - 04:16:03 (#4266)
Current version when comment was posted: 0.4 |
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Phoenix is just a bunch of patches to Mozilla, from what I've seen and read. So Mozilla's bloat isn't totally gone. ;)
Debugging is turned off. I'm going to start applying a few patches in the future (if I can handle it, heh) to make Phoenix more Be-like, or at least appear to be faster.
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| Debug build? |
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By Bryguy - Posted on November 21, 2002 - 03:43:30 (#4264)
Current version when comment was posted: 0.4 |
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I know this is faster than regular mozilla but somthing seems laggy about it. It takes up more RAM than the regular mozilla. Is this a debug build that is suppose to be slower or just a regular version?
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| finally |
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By aphex - Posted on November 21, 2002 - 03:13:46 (#4263)
Current version when comment was posted: 0.4 |
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cool nice, thanks. I wish I could try this thing out right now if my beos partiton wasn't corrupt =(
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