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By YAKKO - Posted on July 4, 2003 - 10:43:11 (#8022)
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http://beglobal.altervista.org/ web site activated. With the Description on Altervista : BeGlobal - Taking BeOS All Over the World. A lot of thanks to Victor Domingos for his offer of help.
You can reach me to talk about BeGlobal at this new email address : beglobal_NoSpamPlease_@libero.it, just remove _NoSpamPlease_
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| Cool! :) |
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By victor.domingos - Posted on July 4, 2003 - 09:20:55 (#8021)
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Good idea!
I will participate as soon as the website is running!
The name BeGlobal is cool... but it must have a slogan too.
Maybe something like "BeGlobal - taking BeOS all over the world" or kind of. My English is not so perfect, oops!
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| Ok, Let start a new web page for translations, tutorials, manuals |
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By YAKKO - Posted on July 4, 2003 - 09:05:02 (#8020)
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Ok, I am searching for help in wirting a new web site for hosting a new traslation project web page for BeOS.
I need help with php, to put on a web site like with login, user, password, uploads, translations files management (like BeBits). A site with all languages, and for all translation, multilingual.
I have found a web hosting service with 100MB of space, 10GB bandwith, mySQL, PHP, and it is free (Altervista).
I have put my nick linked with my email to permit people who are interested to contact me.
Any idea for the name? BeGlobal could be good?
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| Are you sure to speak for the Community? |
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By YAKKO - Posted on July 4, 2003 - 08:16:15 (#8018)
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Are you sure you are speaking for the community? I would like to know how many people are thinking like you. I thin also they are a minority. So, why don't you make a survey. Second, i have not received any official message from BeBits, i have seen only three person that think like you, so please stop.
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| Re: I think this |
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By ahwayakchih - Posted on July 4, 2003 - 07:59:58 (#8017)
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I was not talking about translations only aboyt solutions to keep BeBits clean. I wrote: "solutions [...] do ANYTHING about that" please, notice "that" word which links to solutions - which are main subject of whole phrase.
"Why don't you make a web site for this instead of make stupid criticism? I turn your word to you : It's easy to blame others."
i already made site for similar thing - instead of putting each lib i compiled as Yet Another App i made one "app" bundling all libs.
Also why would i have to make site for Your projects? You want fork of Your work? ;] It's Your work, so IMHO You are responsible for it.
Is it so hard for You to contact with other translators? Can't You communicate with other people (would be irony cause You know how to communicate in other languages :)?
I'm not flaming You for Your work - it's good that You're helping community. But please do it wisely. By putting tousands of translation files You just bring disorder to BeBits (simple example: searching for some application, will show 50 entries and only one of them will be true app, rest will be language files...) and harm community.
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| Re: Re: I think this |
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By YAKKO - Posted on July 4, 2003 - 07:40:48 (#8016)
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Oh oh oh, you seem to be in flame!
I have just finish to make nine traslation of programs, i'm doing what i can, if you think it could be more, then , well, do it. But don't come to say to me that i am doing ANYTHING (ahahaha !!! LOL), you are ridiculous. Why don't you make a web site for this instead of make stupid criticism? I turn your word to you : It's easy to blame others.
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By ahwayakchih - Posted on July 4, 2003 - 05:57:41 (#8012)
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You say about need to make solutions, but You don't do ANYTHING about that. It's easy to blame others.
Why You can't talk with others translators, join efforts, make some www page for project, and post files in ONE place?
Or just add download links as others say (and maybe write to app's author so he add "puut translations here" variation, si it will be clean for end user what is what).
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By s_d - Posted on July 4, 2003 - 05:47:08 (#8010)
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People, there is simple way to keep BeBits clean.
Add language files as additional d/l link on app page with clear comment/heading. It don't need authors permissions.
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By YAKKO - Posted on July 4, 2003 - 05:24:43 (#8008)
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Here is a mial that arrived to me from BiPolar about this question, and i think in a manner similar to Victor Domingos, here is the mail and my reply :
>Hello Mattia.
Hello BiPolar.
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>I'm sending you a copy of a talkback comment that I sent to another guy
>on bebits.
>This applies exactly to all your entries on BeBits, and I suggest to do
>the same as Powel did: remove the entry and send the localized language
>files to the original authors of the apps, or add them as "User
>Location" in the app's page.
I have already sent a copy of my language files to the author of each program, and when the author will publish a new version of the apps containig the language file i will, perhaps in the future, remove the entry on BeBits. I think that you, perhaps, have a commercial vision of BeBits, that i haven't. BeBits is more than a simple commercial site, it has ever been a community site and with the come of OpenBeOS the idea that the people have about the use of BeBits is changing and, in my opinion, will change a lot in the future, from site where you can download files to site where people can contribuite to upgrade and update the software. So why not use BeBits to help BeOS to grow up?
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>Thanks for taking the time and work in doing translations, and thanks
>in advance for trying to keep BeBits.com clean.
To keep clean is a good thing but it isn't the primary objective, i think. My primary objective is to invite more user as possible to get involved with BeOS.
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>"B_DONT_DO_THIS ?
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> By BiPolar - Posted on June 26, 2003 - 16:46:11 (#7903)
> Current version when comment was posted: 0.81 PL
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>Hey there Pawel.
>I like to have apps localized, but I really don't think that posting
>mere translations of apps as NEW entries on BeBits is the best way of
>doing it.
Why don't you write to BeBits's WebMaster and ask for a solution, why don't you think for a constructive solution (i.e. to put a special section on BeBits for these kind of packages, or something else).
Think a solution and write.
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>Imagine what would happen to BeBits if we add every posible language
>translation for each BeOS application that gets created. Every single
>one as a new BeBits entry. I guess that you got my point.
It would be wonderfull, becouse it would mean that a lot of people have been writing down material to make BeOS better.
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>I don't see any problem in sharing such translations on local BeOS
>related sites, or in BeShare, for example, but posting these in BeBits
>makes no sense.
It makes sense if you think that in the readme files i have inserted a invitation to the italian community to write and help, so i am trying to get involved in the project as many people as possible, and with BeBits i can reach a great number of users without making anything wrong. To post this kind of application on BeBits is right, it's allowed, it's freeware, why not?
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>Another thing to think about: doing localizations by translating
>strings on the source code of an app is not too clever, or you plan to
>do the same each time the original app gets updated?
This is wrong. I'm not making translation in the source code but in resources files.
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>Of course that having a nice LocaleKit will be THE solution, but until
>we get that (and developers get used to use it :-) I suggest to keep
>these localized version out of BeBits, or at least send them to the
>original developer and ask him to include it on the original BeBits
>page.
I think you are going in the wrong direction with this. LocaleKit is a nice solution and i hope that it will be implemented as soon as possible, but to help developers to use it and people to help i think the best way is to post the localized version on BeBits.
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>Powel, this is not against you in anyway, but to put in public what
>many of us are feeling: that BeBits is getting too poluted (by people
>that obviously is trying to help, but in the wrong way, IMO) and we
>should stop that before it gets worse.
I thing you are thinking in a negative way. Think positive.
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>--
>BiPolar."
Mattia
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| re: "It take too much time for the files to be available for the community" & others |
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By ahwayakchih - Posted on July 4, 2003 - 05:12:50 (#8007)
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I really don't think that Your lack of patience is a good reason to make BeBits trashy.
Sure, if app is not developed and there is no chance it will be updated (and no way to contact author) may be a reason to post such file (and Your idea to add files to other apps is good). Why not create "Internationalization project" and post all files in one place?
Posting file as yet another new pseudo-software and than removing it when author will include it with app is really bad IMHO (BTW isn't that a little like blackmail? "add it to app or i will mess up bebits more" ;), not to mention that some authors may decide not to include it just because it's already on bebits.
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| Please update Bebits! - - - [Feature Request] |
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By victor.domingos - Posted on July 4, 2003 - 04:54:24 (#8006)
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I think that Bebits is missing one important feature. As some apps are frequently discontinued by their authors, and also frequently there is a very huge time between two releases of the same app, it would be important to have some way to port material like this.
I am also currently working on beos-software localization (for Portuguese), and I think that emailing the localization file to the author is not enough. It take too much time for the files to be available for the community. There should be a "Files related with this app" section for each entry. It would allow us to submit not only binaries and sources, but also manuals, tutorials, localization files, templates, ... and best of all, it would allow different people to post files related to the same app.
That's why we continue posting languae files and office vorlagen for gobe and everything else. We need un adjustment in Bebits.
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| Why don't you think for a solution |
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By YAKKO - Posted on July 4, 2003 - 04:22:49 (#8005)
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Hey Shard, I have already sent a copy of the files to the author of LnLauncher Application, so when an application will be published on the next release with the files in it i will remove the the single entry for the language files from BeBits. I do this for all the application i have translated. But why don't you think for a solution and write in the ML or Newsgroup or make a Wiki about this and possible solutions?
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| Can't You send it to author?? |
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By ahwayakchih - Posted on July 4, 2003 - 01:11:05 (#8003)
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I really starts to be annoying - anyone posting "language files for blahblah". Soon we'll have more language files than apps!
Not to mention that for end-user it would be easir to get all in one plcase - not to download app AND some other files additionally.
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