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By Lead Head - Posted on August 25, 2005 - 20:26:00 (#17553)
Current version when comment was posted: 0.1 |
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BeOS would not even boot, so i installed beos 5 max on an old 650MHz athlon. Than i installed the patch and put in my athlon 64 system and no go.
My specs are as follows
AMD Athlon 64 3000
Giga-Byte GA-K8NSC-939
6,4 and 80GB PATA HDs
Radeon 9600
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| help for a complete beos newbie |
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By trott3r - Posted on July 1, 2005 - 16:05:35 (#17068)
Current version when comment was posted: 0.1 |
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Ok so i am a complete newbie coming from amiga os39 and suse linux.
I cannot get zeta to boot on my athlon xp 2400+ it just holds on userland. I installed zeta on a pentium 2 since the install cd doesnt boot on this box. I installed the patch on the p2 and took it home to the athlon but it still isnt working. Are there any other patches i could try> and will they conflict with this one. BTW disabled sata and running on 512meg.
thanks
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| Athlon 64 & Opterons |
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By Jess - Posted on April 30, 2005 - 17:34:46 (#16462)
Current version when comment was posted: 0.1 |
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I've booted Be unpatched on both Athlons and Opterons. I have one Athlon that requires the patch & another that's run fine without since day one. I've not found an Athlon 64 or Opteron so far that Be wouldn't boot on unpatched however.
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| looncraz re A64 |
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By tigerdog - Posted on April 30, 2005 - 13:37:32 (#16461)
Current version when comment was posted: 0.1 |
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email me to discuss this offline. I'm running an A64 3000+ right now (at 2400MHz instead of the default 1800, no less!) Maybe I can repay you for the "K" instruction tutorial...
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| Excellent summary! |
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By tigerdog - Posted on April 30, 2005 - 13:33:31 (#16460)
Current version when comment was posted: 0.1 |
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Thank, Looncraz. It'd be really helpful if the main page included this information, to make it easier to understand when to use the patch. There are so many variants of Athlon patches on BeBits, it's sometimes hard to figure out which does what and which might be redundant. Again, many thanks for the thorough discussion.
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| When to use the patch... |
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By looncraz - Posted on April 30, 2005 - 09:53:23 (#16459)
Current version when comment was posted: 0.1 |
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Okay,
First K is a CPUFEATURE, 'K' standing for KNI (popularly SSE) instructions.
Certain models of AMD Athlon CPUs do not require this patch to operate, as they have an update KNI instr set which is intel-compatible. Or perhaps the CPU simply doesn't freak things out, whatever the case may be.. this patch is only to be used when a BeOS system will not boot with any of the mentioned processors from AMD.
What using 'default' instead of 'piii' does is modify the memcpy and related functions to not utilize any special instructions.
The .patch feature libraries have (or the kernel) is provided by the ElfLoader (Binary / Executable, ELF formatted), which allows simple patches affect every single application, system-wide.
The KNI on the AMD CPU is not on by default, IIRC, and that is the actual problem. BeOS doesn't turn the KNI (a.k.a. SSE) features on.
There is a package out there that can turn it on for you, but not before boot. If you enable SSE, your system works fine, and the test was a success, you can re-edit libroot.so.patch and change it back to the 'pIII' entries, which should then re-enable SSE for applications that utilize libroot.so (no many that don't).
Restarting Tracker and Deskbar, and all the servers you can, you cab generally make up for the very massive performance penalty (approx 75% on memory operations).
My AMD Athlon 2600+ will not BeOS without the patch in place, so on my own system I have scripted all of the above. My framerates in games skyrocketed, and the system fealt even better than before.
Though, keep in mind, this is one of fifteen or so AMD CPUs I have had, and only the last two were compatible enough to work this way. I have an AMD Athlon 2800+ in another machine, and it will run BeOS perfectly fine.
I am still trying to get my Athlon 64 3000+ to work, though I have only tried a couple times, and not yet without any AMD patches applied.
Hope it helps someone :-)
--The loon
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| What it does |
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By Jess - Posted on April 29, 2005 - 12:45:07 (#16457)
Current version when comment was posted: 0.1 |
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All the patch does is allow the kernel to know the CPU is compatable. The kernel was built before Athlons & before the brand signature in the processor changed.
So since the kernel boots & does not know what an "AuthenticAMD" is it panics as if it was trying to boot say off Alphas or Sparcs & dies. the fact it can even start to panic shows the CPU is the proper arcitechture but tell that to the kernel. The patch simple changes the CPU indents & Be boots fine once it knows this is a valid/acceptable x86 CPU.
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| What, EXACTLY, is this patch supposed to do? |
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By tigerdog - Posted on April 29, 2005 - 02:40:14 (#16454)
Current version when comment was posted: 0.1 |
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Maybe a way to disable SSE? It appears to change the way the Kernel handles memory routines. Tells the kernel to use "default" behavior instead of "pIII" routines if it detects a "K" (as in K6/7/8?) CPU.
Anyway, on the two AMD machines I've installed it on (Athlon 2500+ and Athlon64 3000+), it's DRAMATICALLY slowed system performance. GLTeapot frames per second drops in half. It also slows SETI@Home.
So please, michael_s, post some guidelines on the main page as to when it's needed and why. Thanks in advance.
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| AMD64 ASUSK8V MOBO with ATI RAGE128 PRO VIVO Works if. |
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By btp190 - Posted on April 4, 2005 - 17:29:41 (#16301)
Current version when comment was posted: 0.1 |
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Had trouble at first trying to use it as a BeOS only system. Loaded Win2000 NTFS no-go. Win2000 Fat32 yes, had some startup issues with onboard audio, but after installing right driver got sound. Still can't get Audio in. Partition Magic forces 128GB partitions. Is that max? I'd like my 200GB to be 1 partition. But for now its 128GB and 72GB. No raid, just ata133 MAXTOR and Toshiba IDEs. Also for some reason memory reports 512MB on windows, 524MB on BeOS. Using BeOS MAX2.1
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| mahmoud, check this BIOS setting |
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By tigerdog - Posted on January 20, 2005 - 22:12:42 (#15484)
Current version when comment was posted: 0.1 |
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You mention that all RAID functions are set to "Disable" but this is an interesting board - it has two RAID controllers: one in the nForce chipset and a second Silicon Image SATA RAID controller. In reading the manual, there's another setting "Onboard Giga-RAID" that should probably also be disabled. Does the machine boot into Windows 2000 or XP without loading special disk drivers? You're welcome to discuss this by email if you'd like.
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| The HD is regular ATA |
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By Mahmoud - Posted on January 20, 2005 - 11:30:26 (#15482)
Current version when comment was posted: 0.1 |
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The HD is a regular Parallel ATA one.
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| what is the harddrive connected to? |
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By Euan - Posted on January 19, 2005 - 16:12:29 (#15474)
Current version when comment was posted: 0.1 |
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| Complete specs |
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By Mahmoud - Posted on January 18, 2005 - 18:11:25 (#15467)
Current version when comment was posted: 0.1 |
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- AMD64 2800+
- Gigabyte GA-K8NS Pro (nForce3 250 + GigaRAID chip for IDE RAID, SataLink for SATA RAID, Marvel Yukon gigabit LAN, Realtek built-in audio)
- 512 MB memory
- GeForce 2 MX
- A single IDE hard disk
I've tried disabling all the extra stuff on the mobo, but it didn't help.
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| RE: Mahmoud |
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By Euan - Posted on January 18, 2005 - 15:52:36 (#15466)
Current version when comment was posted: 0.1 |
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Can you post your complete system spec.
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| Didn't help... |
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By Mahmoud - Posted on January 18, 2005 - 03:46:11 (#15462)
Current version when comment was posted: 0.1 |
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Disabling UDMA in BIOS and/or in BeOS boot options didn't improve the situation :(
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| 2 Mahmoud |
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By SD - Posted on January 17, 2005 - 17:10:49 (#15452)
Current version when comment was posted: 0.1 |
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besides disabling BIOS calls and SATA look if you can disable UDMA for all IDE channels in BIOS.
Temporarily. Until IDE Replacement Driver installation
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| No luck with Gigabyte GA-K8NS Pro |
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By Mahmoud - Posted on January 17, 2005 - 16:50:52 (#15451)
Current version when comment was posted: 0.1 |
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Does this patch do anything more than the famous "replace GenuineIntel with AuthenticAMD"? I don't have a working BeOS setup at the moment so I tried the other patch that works under Windows on a fresh BeOS 5.0 PE installation. I use the boot floppy and as soon as I select the PE image to load the machine restarts. Disabling BIOS calling pushes it a little bit further; the boot process freezes at the fourth icon. Disabling all SATA/RAID features in BIOS didn't help as well.
I couldn't test the board with BeOS before purchase. I hope there's still a chance for BeOS to run...any help will be appreciated.
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| thanks, ljr |
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By tigerdog - Posted on November 15, 2004 - 23:35:00 (#14759)
Current version when comment was posted: 0.1 |
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I'd like more info on your system config (drivers loaded, etc.) We should probably take the discussion offline, though. This post is linked to my email address - please contact me. Thanks!
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| AMD64 3500+ on A8V |
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By ljr - Posted on November 15, 2004 - 15:13:29 (#14756)
Current version when comment was posted: 0.1 |
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BeOS 5 and Neo are working here with bios_call disabled.
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| questions about this patch? |
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By tigerdog - Posted on November 15, 2004 - 14:58:39 (#14755)
Current version when comment was posted: 0.1 |
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From what version of BeOS were these files generated (R5, BONE, Dano?)
What (exactly) is changed?
Has anyone successfully run BeOS on an Athlon 64 or Sempron 3100+? If yes, what motherboard?
Thanks, all!
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| ok to patch |
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By cvincent - Posted on August 30, 2004 - 14:37:02 (#14017)
Current version when comment was posted: 0.1 |
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Hi,
Ok he try this when i can.
I see Zeta and libroot.so.patch as the string changed !
thx
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| patchs is |
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By ljr - Posted on August 30, 2004 - 13:56:45 (#14015)
Current version when comment was posted: 0.1 |
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simple as you change in the kernel_intel.patch and libroot.so.patch files the strings *_pIII to *_default .
So if it's done on you friend pc, it should another problem...
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| bone patch... |
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By cvincent - Posted on August 30, 2004 - 12:24:31 (#14012)
Current version when comment was posted: 0.1 |
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Can't remember, i try this into a PC of a friend !
But i have another try to install Dano and get "opcode symbol" at the end of boot (in safe mode) for libroot.so.
And my question about this is : do you know if the patch can resolve this problem ?
The strange thing is he test Zeta RC2 and zeta boot without problems ! (Zeta is already patched ?)
if yes using a DevEd 1.1 + Bone + this patch must work ?
Regards,
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| Patch |
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By ljr - Posted on August 30, 2004 - 09:58:33 (#14011)
Current version when comment was posted: 0.1 |
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Do you apply the patch after bone install (and before rebooting) ?
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| Really only Bone ???? |
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By cvincent - Posted on August 30, 2004 - 07:22:59 (#14010)
Current version when comment was posted: 0.1 |
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Hi, i read this talkback, this patch can be used into a DevEd1.1 with Bone 7a, i try this install but after bone install i get KDL !
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| and for netserver too |
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By michael_s - Posted on January 6, 2004 - 04:02:40 (#10382)
Current version when comment was posted: 0.1 |
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Without it on the screen artefacts are shown, the cursor of the mouse is duplicated and computer crash (kernel debuging land).
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| this patch only for BONE |
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By beo - Posted on January 6, 2004 - 03:19:30 (#10380)
Current version when comment was posted: 0.1 |
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Dont install this patch on BeOS without BONE
Standart BeOS need kernel patch for work with athlon XP/MP
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| Disable the SSE |
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By michael_s - Posted on January 5, 2004 - 16:21:24 (#10370)
Current version when comment was posted: 0.1 |
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For me Athlon64 3200+ don't work without this patch.
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| Disable SSE? |
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By jefro - Posted on January 5, 2004 - 14:14:16 (#10364)
Current version when comment was posted: 0.1 |
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Is this a way to disable the SSE(smid)? Is there anything wrong with the way most people edit the intel_kernel file? Wouldn't one want SSE enabled?
The 64 bit question would be that I spoke to one of the opteron techs. He claimed that a R5.0 worked without any patch. I sort of assume that the Athlon64 or FX51 would work also?
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| Okay.. |
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By looncraz - Posted on January 5, 2004 - 09:27:06 (#10357)
Current version when comment was posted: 0.1 |
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Much better :-)
Anyway, it is exactly what I expected it to be :-)
You know, I would have made it seem more by generating the files :-)
--The loon
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| ZIP |
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By michael_s - Posted on January 5, 2004 - 05:28:48 (#10352)
Current version when comment was posted: 0.1 |
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http://www.zefs.ru/files/axppatch01.pkg.zip
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| Hmmm... |
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By looncraz - Posted on January 5, 2004 - 04:49:51 (#10350)
Current version when comment was posted: 0.1 |
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Null Stripping..
This thing needs to zip archived. Or something.
It is corrupt!
--The loon
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| Athlon64 |
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By JJ - Posted on January 5, 2004 - 04:29:23 (#10348)
Current version when comment was posted: 0.1 |
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Does this mean it could run on a 64bit cpu? Have you tried on a particular 64b mobo?
I tried running R5 (XP patched) on a 64b Shuttle Cube in Taiwan Nova stores (64bit boards everywhere), no luck with any startup options. W2K didn't boot either hehe, but I did see WinXP running on it native install.
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