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| Readme? |
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By OKKUFO - Posted on April 13, 2004 - 18:19:49 (#11991)
Current version when comment was posted: 1.0 DEMO |
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How do I install the driver? :| I'm very new to BeOS..
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| @ Monni |
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By the_leander - Posted on April 13, 2004 - 18:11:30 (#11990)
Current version when comment was posted: 1.0 DEMO |
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Tell me Monni, are you trying to cause an even bigger community split then there already is? Your comments are utterly unacceptable given that you are supposed to be a moderator!
I'm sorry but between these comments and the determined efforts by bebits staff to remove any and all Zeta specific software/drivers without so much as a by your leave... This is supposed to be a software repositry, not a political tool. To use it as such just shows how pathetic your posission really is and you are.
Mod me if you wish, I really don't care anymore. TBH I am getting to the stage where I trully hope that BeOS and all its derivitives crash and burn because ANY community that treats its developers like this deserves nothing less.
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| This has been done to Death!! |
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By MYOB - Posted on April 13, 2004 - 18:11:11 (#11989)
Current version when comment was posted: 1.0 DEMO |
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The author is charging for the driver. Accept it. Stop posting talkbacks about it.
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| 15 EUROS??!?!? |
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By OKKUFO - Posted on April 13, 2004 - 17:53:59 (#11988)
Current version when comment was posted: 1.0 DEMO |
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Oh my goood!! This driver cost so much money that I think I'll spend my money in a better way by buying a new ethernet-card...The driver costs more than MY Realtek 8169 =(:::: A driver is supposed to be free :(
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| In the future |
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By tb100 - Posted on April 13, 2004 - 15:11:14 (#11985)
Current version when comment was posted: 1.0 DEMO |
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What would be great in the future would be if OBOS (with their new name and non-profit status) had one large central pile of money for this kind of thing.
Imagine they sell a few thousands CDs of R1 for about $30 each (say about $20 profit) - that is quite a sizable sum. Then that can be used to buy drivers like this for a decent amount of money (several hundred dollars) and release them for free to the community. That way, developers can get paid for the work they do, and users can access software/drivers/etc for free.
This is obviously something for the future, for now the commercial release model used by this driver is the only way BeOS devs can really make money from the work they do.
Thanks for the work on the driver; I don't have this card but if I did I would be thankful there was a driver in existance, even if I had to pay a small sum for it.
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| Thansk for creating this driver! |
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By Icewarp - Posted on April 13, 2004 - 14:40:36 (#11984)
Current version when comment was posted: 1.0 DEMO |
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Althought I don't have this card yet, I would like to thank you for making a driver for it.
I will consider buying it next time I upgrade my system.
Also, I would like to give you a suggestion: As soon as you reach an certain amount received from sales of the driver, you could release it for free. Some people made that before (I think with sample studio), and it was nice ;-)
Just my 2 cents.
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By fye - Posted on April 12, 2004 - 23:36:54 (#11976)
Current version when comment was posted: 1.0 DEMO |
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It's sad that BeOS 'community' has become so full of shameless freeloaders.
Nothing further to say.
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| 3rd reason |
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By s_d - Posted on April 12, 2004 - 22:42:52 (#11974)
Current version when comment was posted: 1.0 DEMO |
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In this case, buying this driver, you support OBOS:)
Inspite it isn't obvious from author info on this page.
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| The Realtek RTL8169 Family Gigabit Ethernet Driver |
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By leonifan - Posted on April 12, 2004 - 22:28:48 (#11973)
Current version when comment was posted: 1.0 DEMO |
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I am planning to buy this driver, even though I don't have any present use for its gigabit abilities, for two simple reasons:
1) I try to support any software that comes out for BeOS / Zeta if I can afford it, because even though the odds may be against it, I truly want the OS to survive. It is the most pleasing operating system I have used, hands down, and I will miss it if I have to always default to the ungainly, bloated Windows, or the rough-edged Linux.
2) Anyone who takes the time to write a driver for a niche OS deserves payment – and congratulations - for their efforts. I had wanted to complete the driver for the Alcatel USB ADSL modem, (yes, only "complete" – much of the code was already done by other talented guys). I have simply never found the time to do the research and coding necessary to achieve this, with my own work and family commitments. I therefore have a very real appreciation of the work required to create solid, reliable drivers – especially from scratch.
If BeOS one day becomes a major player in the OS world, then companies would have a financial justification in providing free support for it. At present, whether we like it or not, most hardware and software companies simply do not have the need or the interest to do so.
Until then, we should actively support those who DO show an interest in supporting our favourite OS. Surely it is just common sense, so long as we wish to continue to use BeOS in realistic, everyday situations. Of course, if as a user, you don’t feel this need, then you don’t need to buy this software - or use the OS.
Lashing out at the skilled and motivated people who are keeping this great OS alive can only ultimately be destructive to what is left of the BeOS community and to BeOS itself. As for those who simply want something for nothing – well, unfortunately, they will most likely always be with us.
I am sure however, Mad Scientist, that the rest of us salute you.
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| whoa monni... |
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By sketzski - Posted on April 12, 2004 - 19:29:23 (#11968)
Current version when comment was posted: 1.0 DEMO |
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you're taking this way to far, leave it alone. Just cause you don't want to pay for it doesn't mean others wont.
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| well... |
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By micronuke2 - Posted on April 12, 2004 - 18:27:26 (#11965)
Current version when comment was posted: 1.0 DEMO |
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@Monni:
>And I even asked my boss, who is quite a big man here and also uses BeOS, he told me that 30 minutes DEMO is a total joke.<
He told you.. Ahh yes, I thought you don't like other people telling you what to do?
>Even n00b can code stuff that stands stable 30
minutes.<
Ok, do it. Or are you even worse than a 'n00b'..?
>And I know I run warez business as I have run it for many years already<
Great idea to write that on a public forum.
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Yes, it's really sad what's going here.. in the BeOS "community".
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By BePage - Posted on April 12, 2004 - 18:23:25 (#11964)
Current version when comment was posted: 1.0 DEMO |
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Some of you really seem to go mad. Completly crazy people. People are starting big discussions here because of someone that uses his good right to charge for a piece of software. I can truly understand people are leaving beos.
--BePage
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| I'm Paying For This and Supporting Marcus and any future developers who write drivers for BeOS |
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By moooooooo - Posted on April 12, 2004 - 17:07:34 (#11961)
Current version when comment was posted: 1.0 DEMO |
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I've already emailed Marcus and will be paying for it today.
I think things like this are worth paying for as hey, i was in the start of writing a driver for the 8169 and it's no easy thing to do.
Thanks Marcus and when i get back to my desk this afternoon (it's Tuesday here in Australia, and i'm in Melbourne all morning)
I'll send you the credit via PayPal.
thanks again
peter
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| How dare you are |
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By atari_vcs - Posted on April 12, 2004 - 16:59:46 (#11959)
Current version when comment was posted: 1.0 DEMO |
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STOP Discussing.
STOP Sharing.
STOP Annoying.
START Supporting.
START Doing.
You should do this if you still want to have Software in the next few years. System without software is like a car without tires. And if there is no software so there's nothing more to share for you. Remind that or not, but never tell anyone that you guys on besahre have ever done anything for beos. Only thing you can do is destroy, never create.
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| Monny, this is wrong case |
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By s_d - Posted on April 12, 2004 - 16:43:38 (#11958)
Current version when comment was posted: 1.0 DEMO |
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Maybe you don't know,
but i have strong feeling that author of this driver does HUGE work for BeOS absolutely free.
Why and what for this war?
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| My Boss? |
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By Monni - Posted on April 12, 2004 - 14:58:51 (#11954)
Current version when comment was posted: 1.0 DEMO |
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You know who my boss is after you see your full-feature driver leaked in main TyCom Systems server. And you can be sure that we don't let you download it and test if you have embedded customer name or another identification string inside it.
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| To Monni |
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By MadScientist - Posted on April 12, 2004 - 14:39:41 (#11953)
Current version when comment was posted: 1.0 DEMO |
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> And I even asked my boss, who is quite a big man here
> and also uses BeOS, he told me that 30 minutes DEMO
> is a total joke. Even n00b can code stuff that stands
> stable 30 minutes. Go blame him, not me.
I don't know your boss, and I don't care about him.
This driver is stable. And the DEMO version will stop
working after exactly 30 minutes, as it's time limited.
30 minutes is enought time to do a test before buy.
Even when connected to only a 100 Mbit partner, you
can transfer more than 14 GigaBYTE in 30 minutes.
Enough for a test I think.
> PS. I have never said that people should trust me.
> And I know I run warez business as I have run it for
Well, I certainly don't want you as a customer then.
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| Nazi Forum? Me? |
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By Monni - Posted on April 12, 2004 - 14:19:12 (#11951)
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Yeah, I have said that and I'm 100% behind it. Bernd did say some things past that suggested towards it. And I can surely say that Bernd plays a big role what yT was and is now.
About me telling others what to do or not, it wasn't absolute, it was to let people use their own minds.
And I even asked my boss, who is quite a big man here and also uses BeOS, he told me that 30 minutes DEMO is a total joke. Even n00b can code stuff that stands stable 30 minutes. Go blame him, not me.
And I can honestly say that there is a land in Europe that has really stupid laws but I'm not saying which land, most people already know where I am from.
I have spoken enough now and next thing I do is use my right to shut my mouth for next few days.
PS. I have never said that people should trust me. And I know I run warez business as I have run it for many years already, but I still do have my limits what to leak and what to not.
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| Plonk! |
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By bauhaus - Posted on April 12, 2004 - 13:57:22 (#11950)
Current version when comment was posted: 1.0 DEMO |
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Uhm, great news to finally get a supported GB-Lan NIC Driver, especially the quite common RTL one of mss here!
The chipset is fast and cards are really affordable, so 15 Euro is a real deal!
Now I can play around with Zeta and BeRDP really productively - GB Lan for Terminal Services is really creamy ;-).
Anyone who wants free system software for BeOS, wait for OpenBeOS.
Or switch to Lunix or better BSD.
We have to learn again paying out devs who think they deserve it! No if's no why's in here, folks, that's really dumb!
At very first it's HIS code and HIS time he took for development, even if he looks in Freesource code for revision purposes or see how thinks work...
It is a shame seeing people to ask even that 'pay for drivers?' question when on the other side people shouting out for devs on Sites to develop on BeOS/Zeta.
Btw. Zeta is not Freeware and anybody who attempts to make people believe BeOS is a whole FreeSauce stuff is not better than 'Dancemonkeyboy'.
That's destructive, leads no Software Company back-on-track for Zeta (see the facts we're living now).
On the other side mss speech to don't write anymore drivers for BeOS is also not really well decided, but that's maybe a bit 'emotional' (well - unusual for Marcus ;-)).
Regards
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By peter.stegemann - Posted on April 12, 2004 - 13:56:49 (#11949)
Current version when comment was posted: 1.0 DEMO |
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>I don't like people telling what I can do and what I can't.
This is quite normal in every community.
>If someone still wants to give money to Marcus, please do,
>but not because of the driver, but because it's right thing to do.
Looks like you like telling other people what they can do and what they can't.
>I personally hate PayPal and one reason is it that it's not accepted as
>verified payment method by my bank and it rejects all attempts to
>transfer money.
This is the first time I hear that a bank has a problem with PayPal. This sounds like a cheap excuse.
>If someone wants money, it's fine, but selling software that "maybe"
>works
That is what the DEMO is for. There is no evidence that this driver does not work. This is an insult to Marcus honesty.
>is even illegal in some European countries and can get seller to big
>trouble if the driver doesn't work as the user expects.
This is weird crap. The product does not have to meet expectations, it has to meet the promises the vendor makes. And writing this they way you do is simply spreading FUD.
>And remember that we should not trust all people, there has been
>two "scam" attempts collecting money for causes that aren't as clear
>as people think and both by very known BeOS community members.
This is a shame. Especially when posted from someone who shares illegal BeOS distributions on BeShare and who blames the yT-Forum to be a "Nazi"-Forum on BeShare.
You're right, people should not trust everyone on the net. Especially not you.
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By Monni - Posted on April 12, 2004 - 13:11:27 (#11946)
Current version when comment was posted: 1.0 DEMO |
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I don't like people telling what I can do and what I can't.
I personally hate PayPal and one reason is it that it's not accepted as verified payment method by my bank and it rejects all attempts to transfer money.
If someone wants money, it's fine, but selling software that "maybe" works is even illegal in some European countries and can get seller to big trouble if the driver doesn't work as the user expects.
If someone still wants to give money to Marcus, please do, but not because of the driver, but because it's right thing to do.
And remember that we should not trust all people, there has been two "scam" attempts collecting money for causes that aren't as clear as people think and both by very known BeOS community members.
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By MadScientist - Posted on April 12, 2004 - 13:03:15 (#11945)
Current version when comment was posted: 1.0 DEMO |
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@simplysoftware
It costs 15 EUR, don't know what that is in NZD.
Until another way of payment is ready, you can
pay using http://www.paypal.com
The driver will be send by email after you paid.
I'm certain that I didn't receive email from you.
I can't respond to emails that I don't receive,
and I usually don't check the BeBits forum that
frequently.
@moooooooo
I don't know why it didn't show up in boneyard,
as I'm not using BONE. It did show up in Zeta's
network preferences. But it might help you to use:
ifconfig /dev/net/rtl8169/0 10.0.0.10 255.255.225.0 up
to get it up with ip 10.0.0.10
@ljr
I'm not writing another driver if this one doesn't sell.
To all:
Please don't try to write another driver for the RTL8169 chipset.
There are a lot of other network cards for BeOS that
are still unsupported.
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By mario-pl - Posted on April 12, 2004 - 12:59:52 (#11944)
Current version when comment was posted: 1.0 DEMO |
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I think it is not bad that this driver is not free. Mad Scientist will get some money and then they could buy some new hardware to write a driver for it.
greets
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By moooooooo - Posted on April 12, 2004 - 12:53:32 (#11943)
Current version when comment was posted: 1.0 DEMO |
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or restart networking.
Can you tell i havent used BeOS in a while ? ;-)
seems to be working fine. Posting from it now in Net+.
I'd be interested to know if anyone actually has a 1 Gigabit network and gets the increase in connectivity.
You'll need a switch which supports jumbo frames to see the real increase. There was a discussion on Slashdot about this Saturday or Sunday.
Now to figure out Euro and Aussie dollar exchange rates ;-)
cheers
peter
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By moooooooo - Posted on April 12, 2004 - 12:41:53 (#11940)
Current version when comment was posted: 1.0 DEMO |
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and here's me a Solaris sysadmin using ifconfig nearly every day forgetting that BONE has it!
i'll give it a whirl and see what happens and post here if successful....makes me wonder if my original alpha driver was actually working or not!!
cheers
peter
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By BePage - Posted on April 12, 2004 - 11:43:19 (#11939)
Current version when comment was posted: 1.0 DEMO |
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I dont understand what speeks against charging for a driver. I don't think that anyone would complain if someone would do a app that never existet bevore on BeOS and chages for it. The developer put work in this piece of software, so its his good right to charge for it. You should support everyone that still does something for BeOS. I think that this is the most stupid discusstion ever made here.
--BePage
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| I would like to pay too... for Realtek 8201BL or Marvell 88E8001 Gigabit Lan ! |
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By ljr - Posted on April 12, 2004 - 11:34:20 (#11938)
Current version when comment was posted: 1.0 DEMO |
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the onboard lans of ASUS A7N8X-E Deluxe board....
Good to have back some softs to buy for BeOS ;-P
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By Karina - Posted on April 12, 2004 - 11:24:01 (#11937)
Current version when comment was posted: 1.0 DEMO |
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Maybe give ifconfig a whirl I've had luck there with drivers boneyard doesn't seem to like.
ifconfig <device> <address> <netmask> <up/down>
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| @simplysoftware |
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By peter.stegemann - Posted on April 12, 2004 - 11:15:32 (#11936)
Current version when comment was posted: 1.0 DEMO |
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Apple does NOT deliver drivers for possible hardware. In the G5 all PCI hardware can be used, if you have a driver. And there are separate drivers for some interesting cards and plugabble hardware. So the situation is absolutely the same for MacOS as for BeOS.
You have sent the author an email. Fine. You expect an answer asap? Hell (or better: heaven) it's easter weekend!
And the last part makes me really angry: You had any time of the world to write such a driver. There are loads of drivers missing. But you want to rewrite a driver that already exists, what for?
Folks, this is what killed BeOS. More time is wasted on politics and battling each other than for actually bringing the OS forward.
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By tsteve - Posted on April 12, 2004 - 08:22:55 (#11933)
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Companys that make software want to sell it, so they pay people to make drivers for it, and thier free. When a company doesn't support a OS. Then people usaully make a driver when they need it, and give it out free, to help the OS. This is a good thing. But if someone puts time and work into a driver, they have the right to try and make some money. Soon someone will make a free version and then this guys money making time will be over. So its pay to have it now, or wait for a free one. In the mean time, if this guy makes a few bucks, maybe he'll do some work on some other drivers that BeOS needs, and that would be a good thing...
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By moooooooo - Posted on April 12, 2004 - 07:31:08 (#11932)
Current version when comment was posted: 1.0 DEMO |
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the driver doesnt show up in Boneyard.
Any tips on getting it working on BONE seeing you have it working on Zeta? I've actually started a project to write my own driver, but if this one works then i'll pay for it.
Email me at the above if you dont want to post here.
cheers
peter
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By Rene Gollent - Posted on April 12, 2004 - 07:20:49 (#11931)
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That analogy makes no sense whatsoever. In the Apple case you're buying a complete closed system, so they'd damn well better support everything. In the case of the PC, the person you're buying the OS from has nothing to do with manufacturing/supporting the hardware itself, nor is it realistically feasible for a single company to write drivers for the entire existing set of possible PC hardware components without manufacturer support. Thus if a third party writes a driver for a piece of hardware that the manufacturer refuses to support on your OS of choice, then it's entirely their prerogative to charge for it ; they're in no way obligated to provide it to you for free. Now if you'd say, bought your entire computer from Be Inc. or whatnot, that'd be a different story, but you haven't, and as such different market dynamics hold.
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By simplysoftware - Posted on April 12, 2004 - 07:08:15 (#11930)
Current version when comment was posted: 1.0 DEMO |
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When you buy something made by apple, EG. PowerBook G4, you get:
1) All the hardware to make the system run including inpt devices etc.
2) the OS (MacOSX)
3) a wide range of software to get you started with
So why then lets say after buying all that should they turn around and state that I should pay extra to see a picture on the screen (graphics drivers), hear sound(sound drivers) or connect to a network (RTL8169 in my case and I don't mean the laptop) when all the hardware is included so it should just work shouldn't it.
Since I sent an e-mail to the writer of this driver and I have not received any reply I assume that there is something not right about this driver, so I have asked for the documentation to write my own driver from realtek and it is frist in first served.
If I do write the driver before he/she decides to contact me I will release a fully working, fully free version asap.
Please note if he/she does e-mail me first I will not write one but will use their one on my computer.
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| the missing zeros |
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By peasant - Posted on April 12, 2004 - 06:46:40 (#11929)
Current version when comment was posted: 1.0 DEMO |
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correction: 1,000,000,000 bits per second.
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| the keyboard is mightier than the sword |
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By peasant - Posted on April 12, 2004 - 06:44:44 (#11928)
Current version when comment was posted: 1.0 DEMO |
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my winxp machine is on the 8169 chipset, while i don't need this now, i might need it some time in the future.
it seems that ppl nowadays tend to hate paying for stuff. lets take this as a "mandatory donation" for a good piece of software. heck, it lets you connect to the internet with 1,000,000 bits per second! that's hell of a fast ones and zeros ^^;
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| Ok I will admit it I want the driver.... |
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By simplysoftware - Posted on April 12, 2004 - 00:29:28 (#11923)
Current version when comment was posted: 1.0 DEMO |
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A) What does it cost in NZD
B) How do I pay
C) Where do I get it from
D) I am using the 30min demo on BeOS 5 Pro now
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| The driver is working with Zeta |
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By MadScientist - Posted on April 11, 2004 - 23:46:49 (#11922)
Current version when comment was posted: 1.0 DEMO |
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I got a Zeta RC2 with servicepack from YellowTab (that was really nice and fast service).
The driver is working well with Zeta.
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| @verranm |
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By peter.stegemann - Posted on April 11, 2004 - 22:16:03 (#11920)
Current version when comment was posted: 1.0 DEMO |
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Every software for BeOS is above normal. And even if software is not above the norm, why should it be free? As long as it's an honest offer anyone can decide on his own wether to buy it or not. No need to offer something exceptional like greedy features or 1h support.
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| @lichtgestalt |
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By peter.stegemann - Posted on April 11, 2004 - 22:07:36 (#11919)
Current version when comment was posted: 1.0 DEMO |
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First, have a look _who_ spoke against this driver. And then widen your view over this little commenting site. Also look into the past. This is not the first time that the "But this and that should be free / delivered with the OS /..." pull away a developer from BeOS.
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By NathanW - Posted on April 11, 2004 - 21:09:10 (#11917)
Current version when comment was posted: 1.0 DEMO |
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Anyone is entitled to charge for anything they made purely on the basis that they made it. To the author of this driver: thank you for your efforts.
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