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By Michael.Henry - Posted on April 28, 2008 - 13:11:33 (#22764)
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Any plans on releasing a newer version?
This program is great, btw. Thank you...
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| Bible and Quran |
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By BeJay - Posted on May 12, 2005 - 05:13:39 (#16601)
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Our friend ibn was writing from a Muslim viewpoint in which only the Arabic words of the Quran themselves are inspired. - Hence there can be no translation - only 'intepretations.' The Bible works differently from this as it is the meaning of the words that is inspired and greater cognisense is given to the human authors. This differenct between the Bible and the Quran also means that the Quran has not been subjected to the same degree of critical study as the Bible. Ibn, if you have more questions, comments, email me.
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| re: update it |
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By chriscapoccia - Posted on May 4, 2005 - 14:06:12 (#16501)
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this program isn’t about creating new translations. it is about reading and studying existing translations.
you should also study more about textual criticism before you go spouting off about stuff you don’t understand. there are more than 6000 partial new testament manuscripts. if this one discovery is the only one to show 616 instead of 666, and it is not even very legible, none of the scholars that create translations will use it.
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| Are you goning to update it? |
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By ibn - Posted on May 4, 2005 - 08:49:02 (#16496)
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Are you going to update the text to reflect the new research by scholars, explained in this article:
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/this_britain/story.jsp?story=634679
Seriously though, there have been so many changes and errors introduced into the text of what we nowadays call the 'Bible' that its not even funny...
The scripture is supposed to be a fundamental part of the faith, if the scripture itself is not correct, then what can we say of its implementation?!??
We can learn a lot from the Muslims - their Quran hasn't even changed one single word in the hundreds of years since it was revealed. That is very powerful in terms of integrity...
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By BeJay - Posted on May 4, 2005 - 03:30:08 (#16491)
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At one point the RSV seemed to be available at the Sword Project, but I have found the most helpful version there to be God's Word - a completely new translation favoured by Billy Graham's outfit.
Regards,
BeJay
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By DarkWyrm - Posted on May 3, 2005 - 16:18:42 (#16484)
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> are there any plans to ask the official sword
> project people to list this program on their
> software page alongside windows, macintosh and
> linux?
I don't think any of us ever really gave it much thought, but it doesn't sound like a bad idea. :)
> just a general sword question -- some bible
> translations like the niv are copyrighted. does
> anyone sell sword modules for these translations?
Not that I'm aware of. I *think* it's possible to pick up a NASB for purchase, but how one would go about getting hold of it, I don't know. Something like this would be encrypted, requiring purchase of an unlocking key in order to use it. I don't think that Scripture Guide can support such texts yet.
While most of the popular translations are not available, I've found that the World English Bible and the Modern King James suit most of my needs for general Bible study. As Crosswire's site suggests, we need to bug the publishers in hopes that they will allow such things to be distributed electronically, gratis or otherwise.
I've personally written bugging Good News Publishers about the ESV and the American Bible Society about the CEV, being both of these versions are available for E-Sword. Perhaps some of the rest of you guys can do the same.
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| listing on official sword project page |
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By chriscapoccia - Posted on May 3, 2005 - 14:44:45 (#16483)
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are there any plans to ask the official sword project people to list this program on their software page alongside windows, macintosh and linux?
http://www.crosswire.org/sword/software/index.jsp
just a general sword question -- some bible translations like the niv are copyrighted. does anyone sell sword modules for these translations?
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| Good work |
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By BeJay - Posted on May 3, 2005 - 14:25:21 (#16482)
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Well-done the coding team for the new version - the Good Word on the Good OS. Many thanks, BeJay.
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| @ neds |
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By memson - Posted on August 16, 2004 - 14:40:02 (#13881)
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>"Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good
>blaster at your side..." --Fictional character from 70s pop
>culture movie* (before the Force & lightsabers saved his
>sorry butt numerous times, after which he didn't complain
>about them so much)
Firstly, I don't see how you could have missed the intentional irony of that quote... I understand that there is a large section of the world that believes North Americans do *really* understand irony.. maybe not ;-P (tongue firmly in cheek BTW, Cale I lnow for one is American and so I can't tar you *all* wit the same brush!!)
> Yeah, and 640K ought to be enough memory for everybody!
No offence, but that decision was made by a bunch of IBM execs in the states. Has little to do with my British opinions ;-) Has more to do with yours.
> [snip]. Anyway, when someone produces code relating to
> something you're less than fond of, kindly attempt to keep
> those bad thoughts *inside* your head.
And I though speech was "free" ? (as in beer.) Likewise at you. If you don't like someone's opinion....
> The truly ironic thing here, though, is that tools like e-
> Sword modules expose anyone with a PC to thousands of years
> of humankind's wrestling with basic philosphical questions:
No, they perpetuate thousands of years of a bunch of stories being used as an excuse to do, just about, whatever the readers liked. Who wrote them? Why should we believe they are divine? Faith is an interesting concept. I have faith in the fact that I'm not convinced.
> who are we? why are we here? and so on. Wanna know the
> difference between the Catholic and Protestant Bibles?
Not an awful lot. Nothing so large as to make the text wholey different. Most of the issues are due to interpretation.
> Gospel of Mary Magdalene
Now this I'd be interested in. That would skake up a few puritans ;-)
> But people see "Bible" in the program description and feel
> obligated to post movie quotes, and call the whole of
> Christianity "evil". Gee, can't imagine
> what kind of reponse the Quran would bring!
I have more respect for Muslims than I do Christians. I'm a lapsed Catholic, so *please* do not lecture me on religious sensibilities. Christianity *is* evil because of the wars it causes, repeatedly throughout history.
What you just don't get is that it's not about the program. It's about the religion. If only the Muslim and Judeo-Christian religions could stop and take stock, they would realise they all spring from the same root. What is *nt* helpful is the BS comments people make, as if justified by a book allegedly written by "God" 2000 years ago (as this planet is far older that 2000 years, it took him a bloody long time to get it down on paper.) If you read the original comment, I said little about religion. ALl I said way, "logo" is the internationally recognised term for a picture representing a corperate image. It is *not* widely (outside of the Bible belt obviously) used to mean anything religious. Not in this country at any rate. I felt compelled to comment further when the author flat refused to be reasonable. The name is misleading, it is *not* helpful and I was *not* the only one to comment on this. Let's stop sidelining this into some stupid "god save amerika" pseudo-politi-cultural war.
> Folks, the world
> (and the BeOS community too) is bigger than you... let it
> go.
> Oh, and there's another possible translation for "logos":
> it's "intelligence". --Ned
Look up Logo in a dictionary, *please*. We speak English, not anchient greek. Please read the Bill Bryson book "Mother Tongue" if you need clarification on the non linear fashion in which liguistical meaning can change over time. The word "nice" used to mean plain and ugly in middle English, for example, and "Silly" also had a completely reversed meanin originally.
> * Still wondering how you can possibly downplay religion
> with Star Wars references. See, there was this guy named
> Joseph Campbell..
Because I have more respect for Star Wars thatn I do for this whole debate ;-) Also one of the later posters mentioned e-sword and games. I though the quote apt...
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By DarkWyrm - Posted on August 16, 2004 - 06:33:44 (#13877)
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I'm sorry to hear how your experience with Christians has not been a good one. Believe me if you want, but there are people out there who aren't in it for the reasons that you mentioned. There are also people out there who claim to be Christians who say it with their mouths and deny it with their actions. Many, many things have been done over the centuries in the name of Jesus Christ which were not at all Christian. I won't even pretend to understand what's going on in Ireland, because I don't, either. At the risk of being labeled as something I'm not, I will say that I'm a Christian, but there are as many different types of Christians as there are people. I'm not perfect (by any stretch of the imagination), but I try to do the right thing in a given situation. I also will not try to beat you over the head with a Bible, electronic or otherwise. :P This is off-topic, so this kind of discussion isn't appropriate here in the forums, but if you want to have a constructive discussion (not "Hey, let's have a flamewar!") about Christianity and what it really means, e-mail me privately and I'd be glad to have a conversation. No, I won't try to convert you, either -- just set the record straight.
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| Furthering Interests |
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By MYOB - Posted on August 15, 2004 - 18:55:15 (#13872)
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I have to say that I've never seen anybody use religion as anything other than a tool to further their own interests, or increase their egos, or increase their bank balances, in the case of those that run modern judeo-christian sects. The only major exception to this are those that use it to increase their fears, living in an unusual state of finding fault in everything they do, and attending a service to tell tham that even more of what they do is wrong.
I'm sure there are some out there that don't, but living as I do in a highly religious country (Republic of Ireland), I've seen enough Christians anyway to say that those I've seen are all the same.
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| No offence meant here |
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By DLaz - Posted on August 15, 2004 - 18:37:10 (#13871)
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I have nothing against anyone truly religious. I just think that those who use it just to further their own interests are despicable! Will try to stay OT
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By neds - Posted on August 15, 2004 - 18:29:22 (#13870)
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"Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side..." --Fictional character from 70s pop culture movie* (before the Force & lightsabers saved his sorry butt numerous times, after which he didn't complain about them so much)
Yeah, and 640K ought to be enough memory for everybody!
I'm sure not everyone likes to play retro arcade games, or code in obscure interpreters, or click on menus in Hungarian, etc. Fortunately, even after a new app appears on BeBits, you aren't required to download, install, and use it everyday (I'll just keep my mouth shut about other operating systems, though). Anyway, when someone produces code relating to something you're less than fond of, kindly attempt to keep those bad thoughts *inside* your head.
The truly ironic thing here, though, is that tools like e-Sword modules expose anyone with a PC to thousands of years of humankind's wrestling with basic philosphical questions: who are we? why are we here? and so on. Wanna know the difference between the Catholic and Protestant Bibles? Pull up St. Jerome's Vulgate (Latin) translation, then compare to Johannes Gutenberg's German printing. With font support coming, look to read Isaiah in his native Hebrew, or Paul's letters in his Greek, etc. You can even read so-called "unorthodox" works: perhaps they'll have the Gospel of Mary Magdalene soon.
But people see "Bible" in the program description and feel obligated to post movie quotes, and call the whole of Christianity "evil". Gee, can't imagine what kind of reponse the Quran would bring! Folks, the world (and the BeOS community too) is bigger than you... let it go.
Oh, and there's another possible translation for "logos": it's "intelligence". --Ned
* Still wondering how you can possibly downplay religion with Star Wars references. See, there was this guy named Joseph Campbell...
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By DLaz - Posted on August 14, 2004 - 11:07:27 (#13860)
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Religion was a great tool for teaching civilized behavior once upon a time. Unfortunately it has been and is used by too many as just another way to screw you. These people are the worst type of hipocrites around and deserve a horrible fate because of their ethics, or should I say "lack of Ethics!!"
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By memson - Posted on August 14, 2004 - 07:54:01 (#13859)
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> 'be-sword' ('sword' being a
> christian term for the bible'), for
> example, would have been confused with
> some kind of action game!
To quote Han Solo:
"Hokey religions, and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side..."
Religion is the crutch used by feeble minded people to excuse all manour of evil and vindictive behaviours. From forcing worn out morals on others, to pursecuting people because of their race, creed or beliefs.
The world would be a much nicer place if there were no religions and everyone just got along with each other. As hippie and idealistic as that sounds, it's the real truth.
Besides all that, I have a particular disdain for christianity, it being one of the great evils in this world.
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By jan__64 - Posted on August 12, 2004 - 04:44:35 (#13825)
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Please contact me at webmaster (at) be-logos.org if you want to contribute to this project.
jan__64
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| Great so far! |
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By ArDrakho - Posted on August 11, 2004 - 20:08:51 (#13824)
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Greetings,
God bless athiests--they increase my faith in the Holy One, the Lord of Hosts. I downloaded the CD iso from Sword Project (ftp://ftp.crosswire.org/pub/sword/iso/) to obtain all the modules add-ins, plus great many things for the other platforms. I downloaded the source code and the Sword API; I began studying them and learning the code. Good time to learn to code in C++. I believe it will be fun...
Many thanks and God Bless!
ArDrakho
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By jonas.kirilla - Posted on August 10, 2004 - 10:49:57 (#13812)
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Hey, I'm an atheist too!
Just kidding! ;^)
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| Ah right |
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By MYOB - Posted on August 9, 2004 - 20:38:59 (#13807)
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As a confirmed atheist, I assumed The Bible was The Bible. One for each sect of christianity.
Then again thats probably because every single christian I know is a roman catholic, due to being in Ireland.
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| Woohoo! |
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By Kevin_Field - Posted on August 9, 2004 - 18:32:51 (#13803)
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I can't wait to try this out. I was just looking around for one too...I dropped Windows for good, but unfortunately dropped e-Sword with it too. I had just found the SWORD project and had some hope, but hadn't heard back from the developers about the status of the BeOS version, but now, yeehah!
As far as the name goes, it's perfectly fine. I was actually half-expecting it to be Bible software (but thinking it not so likely): it all depends on how often you hear certain words in certain contexts.
Anyway, thanks for all your efforts! Many blessings!
Kev
BTW, MYOB, while there were four BeOS Bible-related packages before this, they were all limited to the King James Version, which, at least for my inferior young brain cells, is tougher to absorb in a meaningful way on a regular basis. SWORD compatibility, as I understand it, makes the cup overflow as far as translations, dictionaries, commentaries, and whatever other add-ons you can think of go.
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By MYOB - Posted on August 9, 2004 - 15:30:16 (#13800)
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Theres five. Thats more bible programmes than there are IRC clients or MP3 players. Not "very few".
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By BeJay - Posted on August 9, 2004 - 15:19:19 (#13799)
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since a lot of religious terms have been secularised including 'bible' much the same problem would have occurred with any other name. 'be-sword' ('sword' being a christian term for the bible'), for example, would have been confused with some kind of action game!
anyway very few 'christian search engines' exist for the beos and this is by far the best!
bejay
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By lelldorin - Posted on August 9, 2004 - 10:03:33 (#13793)
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Nice but not a realy good name for this project!
Can you make the same for the Edda ;-)?
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By jan__64 - Posted on August 9, 2004 - 07:33:40 (#13790)
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Well, that is what the description is for ;-)
Honestly, I didn't noticed the ambiguity of the name. Sorry if I misled you, but I'll keep the name as I don't want to rename my homepage.
BTW "logos" is Greek and means "word"; the English word "logo" has its origin in "logos".
jan__64
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By memson - Posted on August 9, 2004 - 07:15:05 (#13789)
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Um, why is it called Be-Logos? The name is misleading and kind of dumb imo. A logo is an image usually used to associate a company with a symbol. For example, the Be logo is the "Be" with blue "B" and red "e" underlined. I saw the name of the entry and thought, "cool, Be logos... I wonder what logos they are offering?...". None ;-) Just yet another christain text search tool.
Maybe if "Be-Logos" has some meaning to you, you should remove the hythen and call it Belogos. This is less misleading.
Sorry to be an atheist by the way ;-)
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| Thanks! |
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By BeJay - Posted on August 9, 2004 - 06:02:48 (#13785)
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works well i'm looking forward to dictionary modules! many thanks indeed for all the work you have put in on this.
God bless you!
BeJay
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