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By BeOS Mr X - Posted on November 24, 2007 - 07:06:12 (#22137)
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I am usually quite good at optimizing the BIOS settings and digging around each one and selecting the best one. I'll check them out in more detail to see if they are at the best PIO or DMA mode but this is only a celeron 900 system so it could be the IDE controller although unlikely. All cables are 80pin and the HDDs are modern and can transfer faster than that. Anything else and I would believe it to be a driver limitation.
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By Cyan - Posted on November 23, 2007 - 15:08:38 (#22134)
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Maybe try the various PIO and DMA mode settings in the BIOS? Most let you configure the IDE controller for different speeds; changing that might clear up the issue...
Is it actually using DMA? Look in Pulse while copying a large file -- all processors should be reading close to 0% load, otherwise DMA isn't enabled.
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By Diver - Posted on November 23, 2007 - 14:29:05 (#22133)
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This is strange; i remember that after installing this driver boot time decreased from 15 to 6 seconds on my machine and transfer speeds was higher than with IDReplacement. Only Thomas can tell about this issue, i guess.
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By BeOS Mr X - Posted on November 23, 2007 - 00:09:33 (#22130)
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The transfer speeds (drive2drive) don't seem to be going over 15MB/s . Anything I can do to make it go faster ? Is this a driver limitation.
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By BeOS Mr X - Posted on November 22, 2007 - 21:16:30 (#22127)
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Using the uninstall option on the ide rpl driver I can now use my HDD. Thanks. here's a screenshot for proof.
http://picozilla.com/files/143843lworksnow.png
would this fix be a combination of your updated IDE driver and dano mkbfs, or just your ide driver ?
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By BeOS Mr X - Posted on November 22, 2007 - 21:04:19 (#22126)
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I loaded up the IDE repl. driver .pkg and chose the uninstall option.
http://bebits.com/bob/12483/IDE_replacement_driver_v0.5.pkg
now I reboot and try again. I didn't remember installing this driver but after I reboot I'll post again. And thanks for the quick reply. should I re-install your driver again ?
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By Diver - Posted on November 22, 2007 - 20:53:46 (#22123)
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Did you removed IDE replacement driver before installing this driver?
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By BeOS Mr X - Posted on November 22, 2007 - 20:33:57 (#22121)
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yes I just tested and my USB keyboard worked on the second boot. I'm typing with it. So I guess the USB is buggy ?
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| re: re: IDE driver for R5 - please help |
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By BeOS Mr X - Posted on November 22, 2007 - 20:32:35 (#22120)
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yes i installed this. the usb broke as told (is there a downloadable fix somewhere for me??)
drivesetup will not load (displays Scanning Disks... indefinately) and with the hdd light on
no partitions will mount except boot
disk performance slightly slower
what is an uninstallation option for this?
I have also installed the dano mkbfs. All I want to do is make it so beos can see a drive over 128GB.
http://picozilla.com/files/143810lstill_crap.png
The next step after that is to make 1GB+ files work. They have never worked with me. Always get errors when extracting DVD images from rars or downloading a big 1GB+ zip file with wget.
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By BeOS Mr X - Posted on November 22, 2007 - 06:29:28 (#22113)
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i hope oneday I'll see a beos-partiton re-sizer.
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By Cyan - Posted on November 13, 2007 - 20:59:56 (#22085)
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I'll give the drivers a whirl at some point, on a test HDD to start with. Will it conflict with a SCSI drive?
Interestingly, I've noticed that while I can't access my SATA backup drive using the standard IDE replacements (available on Bebits), it works okay in plain R5 (although no DMA).
So for anyone else with modern hardware, try pure unmodified R5 with the RAM patch (and AMD patch if required) before resorting to hard disk controller cards. Make sure the BFS partition is within the first 136GB of course.
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By Diver - Posted on November 11, 2007 - 10:43:07 (#22066)
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...tell that with this driver OS start time reduced from 15 sec to 5. So it could be interesting to anyone, even eith supported hardware.
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By Diver - Posted on November 11, 2007 - 10:37:32 (#22065)
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It was taken from Zeta 1.1 (i guess) which in turn was written by Thomas Kurschel as a complete rewrite of his "IDE Driver Replacement" to to designed the new OBOS(Haiku) driver architecture back in 2003.
Yes, it replace quite a lot of system components, this will even break some cd burning apps as it will change how partitions being published in the devfs from /dev/disk/ide to /dev/disk/scsi. It will also probably break USB Storage Module http://bebits.com/app/3889 for the same reason, so you need to make some hacking to this driver, or just use the one from zeta 1.1 if you use USB in BeOS at all.
Don't know how stable this driver, but i remember some crashes back when i still used BeOS as my primary OS. Don't know if those crashes was because of this driver as it was heavily modified BeOS R5.
As for IDE emulation mode i remember that IDE i used was in this mode and worked ok with this driver.
I think it should be possible to update this driver with files from Zeta 1.5 to get native sata (pre-ahci) support
Another option is to port it back to BeOS from Haiku which was ported from Zeta by Ithamar Adema (colacoder) ;-)
http://svn.berlios.de/viewcvs/haiku/haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/busses/ide/legacy_sata/
1GB+ RAM problem is fixed by Euan Kirkhope in 2004 http://www.bebits.com/app/3851 so there should be no show-stoppers anymore ;-)
HTH
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By Cyan - Posted on November 11, 2007 - 00:18:58 (#22064)
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Interesting -- the existence of such a driver is an extremely well-kept secret indeed.
Who wrote it, and how far in development is it? Particularly in terms of KDL danger, and data corruption?
I'm a bit reluctant to test this because it seems to replace quite a lot of system components (ISA/PCI bus managers?) and there isn't any info about stability, but if it's stable it could be extremely useful.
Any idea if it supports SATA drives in IDE emulation mode? This is one of the two R5 show-stoppers for most people (the other being 1GB+ RAM).
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By StarWarsLegacy.net - Posted on November 10, 2007 - 21:45:39 (#22063)
Current version when comment was posted: 1.24 |
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Thank you sir, I'll try it out!
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By Diver - Posted on November 10, 2007 - 11:27:10 (#22062)
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> No such drivers are available for BeOS. Zeta, I'm not sure.
Here is the one for R5, which worked for me http://livejournal.euro.ru/files/IDE_Update.pkg.
Danger! remove IDE replacement driver before installing it. This should let you see and use new large hard drives, i tested it with 400Gb drive.
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By Cyan - Posted on November 9, 2007 - 11:28:40 (#22060)
Current version when comment was posted: 1.24 |
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IDE drives have suffered a number of size limits -- depending on the size of your drive, one of the following two are the most likely causes:
- 8GB limit. Caused by a BIOS limitation. The fix is to use a more recent BIOS version. This often doesn't affect BeOS because it doesn't use the BIOS once it's booted.
- 136GB limit. Caused by a limitation of the IDE interface. To work around this one, you need updated drivers for all operating systems.
No such drivers are available for BeOS. Zeta, I'm not sure.
There are only three fixes for the 136GB limit in BeOS:
1. Only use the first 136GB of the drive, ignoring the rest.
2. Install the large hard disk in an external USB enclosure, and install a much smaller hard disk inside the PC (to boot the OS from). USB's limit is 2TB, thus avoiding the problem.
IIRC, Zeta supports high-speed USB devices, so performance should be okay. In BeOS, you can install the Haiku USB stack which supports high-speed USB devices.
3. Use SCSI, with an IDE-SCSI bridge connected to the large hard drive. SCSI's limit is also 2TB. This approach is very reliable, but it's relatively expensive compared to (2).
I wouldn't worry about what size the BIOS reports, because most modern OSs bypass it. Still, it might be worth updating the BIOS anyway.
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By StarWarsLegacy.net - Posted on November 8, 2007 - 21:55:24 (#22059)
Current version when comment was posted: 1.24 |
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Will this fix the problem with my Dell where the BIOS sees my 2nd hard drive as half the size it is, as does Winblows, BeOS, and all other OS's but Linux.
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| This is great! |
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By IgRussell - Posted on November 5, 2007 - 09:14:18 (#22054)
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By ModeenF - Posted on November 5, 2007 - 08:31:56 (#22053)
Current version when comment was posted: 1.24 |
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from the manual
"Disk Manager takes advantage of the included psi (Paragon Scripting
Interpreter) from ZETA"
So sadly not
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By Bardulas - Posted on November 5, 2007 - 06:44:07 (#22052)
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| Very nice |
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By lelldorin - Posted on November 4, 2007 - 22:41:21 (#22051)
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I often think about to create a tool like this :-). Thanx
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